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Old 09-02-2023, 06:36 AM   #141
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Originally Posted by Aiwendil View Post
It seems to me that for precisely this reason, we should omit the statement from our version. In any case, enough had changed an been elaborated in Tolkien's thinking about the natures of Elves and Men between Q30 and the later period that I think it should not be stated as a definitive fact that Tuor was counted afterward as one of the Noldor.

If, however, we do keep that statement, I think we need to remove the previous sentence, and perhaps soften the statement with a "some say":
I disagree about Tuor, per this letter:

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Immortality and Mortality being the special gifts of God to the 'Eruhíni' (in whose conception and creation the Valar had no part at all) it must be assumed that no alteration of their fundamental kind could be effected by the Valar even in one case: the cases of Lúthien (and Túor) and the position of their descendants was a direct act of God.
- Letter 153 (from 1954)

So, at least in 1954, Tolkien clearly thought that Tuor was counted among the Eldar.
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