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Old 10-15-2003, 07:12 AM   #39
Legolas
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I'll go past some of your other arguments to say simply say this, the main point:

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Even were he bigheaded it does not change the fact that Tolkien WROTE that he was to be Sauron's lieutenant in Isengard and NEVER contradicted that.

Your comments about the nature of the Nazgul and whether the Mouth was a braggart are solely based on your opinion and therefore cannot contradict something that Tolkien wrote in LOTR.
Tolkien [/b]does not say this[/b], nor would Khamul suddenly stop being Sauron's lt., nor would being simply his lt. make anyone second in command,

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Come to think of it what was Aragorn doing at the gate. On the surface he was there to relay a message to Sauron was he not? And he's 1st in command...
No, this wasn't his "surface" reason or anything.

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No YOU missed the point. Let me break it down for you. I have stated that at the time the parley at the gate occurred, the Mouth was 2nd in command. Who commanded Dol Guldur or Minas Morgul before this point is totally irrelevant.
When did Khamul stop ruling Dol Guldur? It's totally not irrelevant. If Sauron trusted the Mouth as he trusted Khamul or the Witch-King and made him second in command, would he not have him further away ruling a fortress he wasn't physically present at? It is also relevant because Khamul is called "Sauron's lt." even though it is clear that the Witch-King outranks him - this is a clear indication that the title of "lieutenant" does not mean that he (or anyone referred to as such) is second in command, nor is there only one lieutenant.

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No, it shows that the Mouth thinks being a spokesman for a godlike entity is of greater worth than being king of a kingdom that he believes is about to be destroyed.
While Gandalf is sent from the King of Arda, far closer to God than Sauron?

[ October 15, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ]
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