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***Mithadan*** · 02-05-2001, 09:32 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Goldberry and tom?

Haven't been following this thread recently, so I just caught up and have a few comments.

Durelen - Tom says that he was in ME "before the Dark Lord", but he doesn't say which one. Keep in mind that during the time of LoTR, the Dark Lord that everyone was focusing upon was Sauron, not Melkor. Also, mountains, etc. were not "made from the get go". Arda was unformed when it was created. Re: Gilthalion's theory that Tom is one of the Fathers of Men before Arda Marred, I agree it is original, but : (1) Tom appears to be somewhat <img src=wink.gif ALT="

"> long-lived for a man; (2) Arda began to be "marred" from the moment Melkor disrupted the Music so Arda Unmarred has never existed; and (3) the Fathers of Men did not wake up anywhere near early enough.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

02-05-2001, 09:32 AM	#101
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,393	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Spirit of Mist Posts: 568</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Goldberry and tom? Haven't been following this thread recently, so I just caught up and have a few comments. Durelen - Tom says that he was in ME "before the Dark Lord", but he doesn't say which one. Keep in mind that during the time of LoTR, the Dark Lord that everyone was focusing upon was Sauron, not Melkor. Also, mountains, etc. were not "made from the get go". Arda was unformed when it was created. Re: Gilthalion's theory that Tom is one of the Fathers of Men before Arda Marred, I agree it is original, but : (1) Tom appears to be somewhat <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> long-lived for a man; (2) Arda began to be "marred" from the moment Melkor disrupted the Music so Arda Unmarred has never existed; and (3) the Fathers of Men did not wake up anywhere near early enough. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.