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***Gilthalion*** · 02-05-2001, 11:33 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Goldberry and tom?

True enough, Tom can't literally be one of the Fathers of Men, who woke A.D. (After Darkness).

I don't have LOTR in front of me. Did Tom describe something of his first days? Could he have been an exception, awakened B.D. (Before Darkness), and not "Falling" as all else did from the creation Eru intended?

If Tom is allegorically Adam Unfallen, the letter in the last post is more grist for that mill.

Consider that Adam originally (even before Eve) set to the task of naming the various beasts, and tending the Garden (not nearly as difficult as my backyard!).

His relationship with Nature changes dramatically with the Fall. No longer is he the Natural Scientist, studying Nature for its own sake, he becomes the exploiter of a Nature no longer perfect for him. The beasts feared him and the land gave its fruits reluctantly.

Bombadil, on the other hand, shows signs of age in the lines of his face, but is otherwise youthful and the complete Master of flora and fauna in his wild domain. He does not scratch a hard living from the ground. (Though I think I do recall a garden patch?)

I think a decent case can be made for Tom = Adam Unfallen, but not a conclusive one.

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02-05-2001, 11:33 AM	#104
*Gilthalion* Hobbitus Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: South Farthing Posts: 635	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton Posts: 27</TD><TD><img src=http://www.geocities.com/robertwgardner2000/lotrmap.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Goldberry and tom? True enough, Tom can't literally be one of the Fathers of Men, who woke A.D. (After Darkness). I don't have LOTR in front of me. Did Tom describe something of his first days? Could he have been an exception, awakened B.D. (Before Darkness), and not "Falling" as all else did from the creation Eru intended? If Tom is allegorically Adam Unfallen, the letter in the last post is more grist for that mill. Consider that Adam originally (even before Eve) set to the task of naming the various beasts, and tending the Garden (not nearly as difficult as my backyard!). His relationship with Nature changes dramatically with the Fall. No longer is he the Natural Scientist, studying Nature for its own sake, he becomes the exploiter of a Nature no longer perfect for him. The beasts feared him and the land gave its fruits reluctantly. Bombadil, on the other hand, shows signs of age in the lines of his face, but is otherwise youthful and the complete Master of flora and fauna in his wild domain. He does not scratch a hard living from the ground. (Though I think I do recall a garden patch?) I think a decent case can be made for Tom = Adam Unfallen, but not a conclusive one. <center> *~~~http://www.geocities.com/robertwgardner2000My Bare Bones Webpage</a>~~~* </center></p> __________________ Please read my fan fiction novel THE HOBBITS. Wanna hear me read Tolkien? Gilthalion's Grand Adventures!