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Keneldil the Polka-dot · 11-18-2002, 09:27 AM

I will admit that it is difficult to argue against the Vanyar, especially when Tolkien refers to the Noldor as "fallen". It is just difficult for me to label them as the greatest because of the things that happened.

How is it "great" to accept something that is simply handed to you? The Valar brought the Quendi to Valinor and in a sense gave it to them. How is it great to have your kin slain by Melkor and DO NOTHING ABOUT IT? Finwe had relatives among the Vanyar that did nothing in response to his death at the hands of Melkor.

11-18-2002, 09:27 AM	#28
Keneldil the Polka-dot Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 128	I will admit that it is difficult to argue against the Vanyar, especially when Tolkien refers to the Noldor as "fallen". It is just difficult for me to label them as the greatest because of the things that happened. How is it "great" to accept something that is simply handed to you? The Valar brought the Quendi to Valinor and in a sense gave it to them. How is it great to have your kin slain by Melkor and DO NOTHING ABOUT IT? Finwe had relatives among the Vanyar that did nothing in response to his death at the hands of Melkor. __________________ "Trust in the ball Jake.....and throw yourself."