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Old 01-23-2001, 07:43 PM   #8
Tar Elenion
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Re: imladris

From the descriptions given of Imladris and its environs (heavily forested, in a deeply cut valley with steep walls and swift rivers) it would seem a easy area to defend. On should also consider that Elrond when besieged there after the ruin of Eregion, had not only the survivors of Eregion who fled to him, but also had an Army at his command (Gil-galad had sent Elrond with an army from Lindon to relieve Eregion).

Elrond did not even have Vilya until after the War of Elves and Sauron (Gil-galad gave it to him at the first White Council just after the Sauron was driven out of Eriador (ca. 1702) at the earliest.

Lindil,
You state that Elrond needed Vilya in order to bring about the flood. What is your basis for this statement. JRRT does not say that Elrond had to use Vilya. Why do you not think that Elrond could have controlled it with the Power that was within him?

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Qouthe Lindil:
I don't think Elrond's powers would lie in that direction . Even Galadriel who was a beloved pupil and in-law to Melian...
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Galadriel an in-law and pupil, yes. Elrond was however a direct descendent of Melian the Maia.

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Quothe Lindil (con't):
...could not keep Orcs [ or Gollum] out of Lothlorien , her enchantment there was largely the ring's power to slow time down to a trickle.
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This was of course a power of all the Three. None of them were intended to do anything with Orcs and they were not intended s weapons of war.

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Quothe Lindil:
I have always assumed [rings aside -which they were at that point] that Galadriel was far more powerful tham Elrond . She lived in valinor and recv'd tutelage from the Valar and Maia [esp. Melian in Doriath] was thousands of years older.
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Elrond was a direct descendent of Melian the Maia and Luthien. He was part Maia himself. When writing about what could have happened if various individuals took the One Ring, JRRT says that Galadriel conceived of herself as capable of overthrowing Sauron if she had the One. He then says that if she were capable of this &quot;so also were the other gaurdians of the Three, especially Elrond.&quot; Note the &quot;especially Elrond&quot;. Not &quot;even Elrond&quot;, but &quot;especially Elrond&quot;.


Gwaihir,
JRRT does not say that Galadriel was more powerful than Elrond or that her might was second only to Feanor. He says that she was the greatest of the Noldor save Feanor maybe though wiser than him in one place and in another similar statement that she was great like Feanor though her gifts differed. This is different than 'might'.

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