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**lindil** · 04-12-2001, 10:30 PM

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Re: movements of galadriel and MT

Greetngs and welcome to the board Jallanite.

Excellent point. CRT of course says in his intro to the 77 Silmarillion that "Complete consistency is not to be looked for either between the stories themselves or with my fathers other published work and could only be acheived at heavy and needless cost."[from memory]
I guess you have stumbled on a perfect case in point, although I can see no heavy damage from leaving her movement into Beleriand at the end of the 1st age vague in the silmarillion if there was no text to draw on to rectify it. I would guess it to be oversite on CRT's part , who knows maybe it will be corrected in the new edition. It doesn't sound likely though.

Here in the Silmarillion Canon forum we are pretty much agreed on one thing and that is that the 1977 Silmarillion is not canon in the sense that the Lord of the Rings is. It may be as close as we get, although I would put the final versions of warof the Jewels and Morgoth's RIng in that place myself and then leave aside the hodge podge of the final chapters as another issue. But none of it went through the final production stages that JRRT did on the LotR and he even corrected that and the Hobbit a few times in his life.

Since virtually no one is suggesting adapting the LotR to the Silm [whichever one you pick] that leaves the necessity of adapting the Silm to the LotR . simple as Tar Elenion has pointed out several times.

Celeborn can not be Teleporno who left valinor w/ her seperate from Feanor.
Though to my mind her seperate departure with Teleri who are not Celeborn is still possible.
Unless that is contradicted by her 'leading the Noldor into rebellion' which I have read somewhere recently.

The Galadriel thing is one of the more complex as certainly much of the later conception of her [ and there is alot] can be included in the the silm [from shibboleth especially] but how far do you go? I have my own tentative answers but I will happily hold them till others have a chance to post if they so desire.

It is nearly Great and Holy Friday here in SF and I may be offline till monday or so -
since no one may hear from me till after Pascha [ easter ] I will leave you with a joyous
CHRIST IS RISEN!

Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on a new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>

04-12-2001, 10:30 PM	#16
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,681	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 595</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: movements of galadriel and MT Greetngs and welcome to the board Jallanite. Excellent point. CRT of course says in his intro to the 77 Silmarillion that "Complete consistency is not to be looked for either between the stories themselves or with my fathers other published work and could only be acheived at heavy and needless cost."[from memory] I guess you have stumbled on a perfect case in point, although I can see no heavy damage from leaving her movement into Beleriand at the end of the 1st age vague in the silmarillion if there was no text to draw on to rectify it. I would guess it to be oversite on CRT's part , who knows maybe it will be corrected in the new edition. It doesn't sound likely though. Here in the Silmarillion Canon forum we are pretty much agreed on one thing and that is that the 1977 Silmarillion is not canon in the sense that the Lord of the Rings is. It may be as close as we get, although I would put the final versions of warof the Jewels and Morgoth's RIng in that place myself and then leave aside the hodge podge of the final chapters as another issue. But none of it went through the final production stages that JRRT did on the LotR and he even corrected that and the Hobbit a few times in his life. Since virtually no one is suggesting adapting the LotR to the Silm [whichever one you pick] that leaves the necessity of adapting the Silm to the LotR . simple as Tar Elenion has pointed out several times. Celeborn can not be Teleporno who left valinor w/ her seperate from Feanor. Though to my mind her seperate departure with Teleri who are not Celeborn is still possible. Unless that is contradicted by her 'leading the Noldor into rebellion' which I have read somewhere recently. The Galadriel thing is one of the more complex as certainly much of the later conception of her [ and there is alot] can be included in the the silm [from shibboleth especially] but how far do you go? I have my own tentative answers but I will happily hold them till others have a chance to post if they so desire. It is nearly Great and Holy Friday here in SF and I may be offline till monday or so - since no one may hear from me till after Pascha [ easter ] I will leave you with a joyous CHRIST IS RISEN! Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on a new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.