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Old 07-23-2006, 03:03 PM   #7
Kuruharan
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What's important is they were 'retentive of the memory of injuries (and of benefits), so they remembered grudges or friendships. Which, I think could factor into whether dwarves fight with 'evil' or not.
-Boromir88
But I wonder about this. Why were there no grudges remembered from the time of the Last Alliance during the War of the Dwarves and Orcs? This was the question that basically launched my questioning in this area.

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They had succumbed, but they were able to maintain the appearance of normalcy.
-mark12_30
I think the principle involved between the Dwarf Houses was probably similar, at least as far as activities appearing "normal" to peoples far sundered from each other. Most of them were a long way apart. It would have been hard for them to know what the others were doing, even if they were all that interested in keeping tabs on each other.

However, I think there would have been a problem maintaining this appearance of normality over a long period of time, after all we are talking about a period of time stretching across several millennia. We know that the Dwarves visited each other from time to time. Sooner or later some Western Dwarves (probably Longbeards) were bound to go far enough East to see what the Stonefoots and Blacklocks were up to. Iím kind of curious as to how the Western Dwarves reacted when they saw what had happened.

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Also-- isn't the phrase "Free Peoples", not "Good Peoples"?
-mark12_30
True. I realize now that, given the nature of this topic, I should have provided a more specific definition of evil to give the topic a baseline.

Maybe something like ďAcceptance of Melkorian influence and values and adopting them as a basic part of the culture.Ē I think this definition may hold some validity as it would exclude people like the Noldor who, while obviously influenced by Melkor, did not accept him as the source and inspiration for their culture. On the other hand, evil tribes of Men and the Kingís Men in Nķmenor would qualify under this definition. Iím personally inclined to think, given their location and Tolkienís implication, that some of the Eastern Dwarves probably did the same to some extent.

Of course, that also brings up the issue of how much of their original culture they retained. I think it is also safe to say that they probably did retain some of their original instruction from AŁle although it would have provided for an interesting mix of cultural influences, but no more odd than many we see in the real world.

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Gold and mithril enslaved many Dwarven hearts; hence, evil. Thorin was in danger of it, but was saved in the end.
-littlemanpoet
Also true that each individual had the potential for evil, Iím just curious about how this developed on a societal level.
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