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***Mithadan*** · 10-09-2000, 05:55 AM

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Re: Orcish Fear

Welcome back. Enjoy yourself in Carmel.

Of course, well aware of Athrabeth and Morgoth's Ring. This thread has highlighted the fact that whatever JRRT's "last" or "latest" intention was with respect to the origin of orcs, LoTR and the Hobbit contain materials which are at least arguably inconsistent with the view that orcs are not corrupted elves. On the other side of the coin, the fea argument appears to support non-elven origins, but not necessarily convincingly so. I lean towards Saul's multi-origin theory at present, but have doubts that I will ever be completely convinced that no orcs descend from elves.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

10-09-2000, 05:55 AM	#28
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,314	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 169</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Orcish Fear Welcome back. Enjoy yourself in Carmel. Of course, well aware of Athrabeth and Morgoth's Ring. This thread has highlighted the fact that whatever JRRT's "last" or "latest" intention was with respect to the origin of orcs, LoTR and the Hobbit contain materials which are at least arguably inconsistent with the view that orcs are not corrupted elves. On the other side of the coin, the fea argument appears to support non-elven origins, but not necessarily convincingly so. I lean towards Saul's multi-origin theory at present, but have doubts that I will ever be completely convinced that no orcs descend from elves. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.