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Old 01-09-2003, 06:07 AM   #17
Gwaihir the Windlord
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Yes, I myself thought at first that the Orcs may be simply controlled by Melkor/Sauron, as the Dwarves would have been by Aule had not Eru blessed them. But this is not so. Orcs have been seen to act independently on numerous occasions.

To say that Illuvitar would not grant the Fire to Orcs because they are evil is, I think, not plausible. Evil stems from Eru as well as good.

Quote:
(Eru concerning Morgoth)'Yet he shall see that all things are to my glory in the end.'
Just thought I'd add that quote. It adds weight to the idea that Eru created evil; how could the pillaging and destruction caused by orcs be to the glory of a totally goodly being, unless himself designed it to be so? All things stem from Morgoth. Personally I see that the Orcs were as eligable a recipient of the Secret Fire as the Dwarves were.
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