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Originally Posted by FerniesApple
the ''go home Sam'' scene makes him look more aggressive than he was in the book, so thats a bad example if you are saying it makes him look weak.
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My issue with that scene is that it makes no sense, but that's for another thread.
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''general lack of initiative'' wrong again. After escaping Boromir Frodo decides to take the boat and go to Mordor alone without Sam, he also saves Sam from drowning. This shows great courage and initiative. you really need better examples of frodos weakness because I dont get it.
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Okay. You show one example where I think we'd all agree that Frodo took action. What of the other scenes (plural) where he doesn't? You may not agree, but I see more scenes where Frodo's more 'along for the ride' than taking the reins in his own hands.
He did jump on the ferry boat on the way to Bree - forgot that one.
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''powerlessness against the Ring'' thats a given, in the book or the films, its part of being a Ring bearer.
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Agreed.
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''whining'' this is more prejudice based on dislike of Woods performance rather than reality. Frodo doesnt whine, he suffers.
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Maybe you see it that way. I don't. To me, 'whining' is when the person could take some action (other than vocalizing) that could change his/her state, but doesn't. This action typically would not take much effort. But there is zero effort and much vocalization, and so...whining.
Note that I did not mention a specific actor. Don't care if it's Wood, McKellen or Otto - whining's whining.
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''swooning'' more prejudice, any so called 'feminine' behaviour like swooning is immediately ridiculed, like swooning from lack of food or exhaustion is somehow ridiculous.
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In the scene I described Frodo swoons/faints/crumbles/folds/wilts/gets a case of the vapours/etc
when the light of Sauron's Eye (ugh!) hits him. So, regardless of his physical state, it's the light that pushes him over some threshold.
It just looks seriously silly, as it's slightly slowed down as if it's something interesting and not sad.
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this list of complaints are a bit flimsy.
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Note that the thinnest lembas has two sides.