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Re: Frodo or the Ring?
But Curumo did have the great power Mr. Underhill, I believe it said so in Silm or LotR that when they first came over the sea Curumo had the greater power. Only after Olorin came back to ME did he have power greater than Curumo. And would it make sense for Manwe to be a subordinate to Irmo. Irmo wasn't even an Aratar.
Another point would be the chapter on the Istari in UT. Olorin is talking to Manwe, hard to be Manwe if you are talking to him.
Hmm, I think there is more evidence to disprove Manwe being Olorin, but I don't feel like digging up quotes and listing texts.
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