[Findegil]

I will not comment on the SA-LQ-zz changes. It is obvious that we have to do these. I only added the source information and slightly changed the fromat of the change to look like

… SA-LQ-zz{text replaced} <LQ replacement text> …

All the changes of the SA-EX-zz typ that I do not comment on I agree to.

SA-EX-01 and SA-EX-15: I agree to change the title and use ‘Of the Siege of Angband’ as sub-heading.

SA-EX-05: I am not sure if we should make this change. So I can understand your reasoning, it is not clear to me if that means we can not use these names.

SA-EX-05.5: I think we should add here a bit from Sil77 so we do not know were it comes from:

But that evil lay as yet in the days to come, and the first meeting of the Sindar and the Noldor was eager and glad, though parley was at first not easy between them, for in their long severance the tongue of the SA-EX-05 Kalaquendi in Valinor and the Moriquendi in Beleriand had drawn far apart. SA-EX-05.5 <Sil77 From the Elves of Mithrim the Noldor learned of the power of Elu Thingol, King in Doriath, and the girdle of enchantment that fenced his realm.>

SA-EX-06.5: In reference to the Bye Bye Balrogs thread we should follow Christopher Tolkien in changing the embassy of Morgoth from Balrogs only to some Balrogs included:

… Wherefore each embassy came with greater force than was agreed, but Morgoth sent the greater and SA-EX-06.5{they}<Sil77 there> were Balrogs. Maedros was ambushed, and all his company was slain, but he himself was taken alive by the command of Morgoth, and brought to Angband and tortured. …

SA-EX-07.2: As we have taken up Arakáno and his valiant behavior from the Shibboleth and included him in the Athrabeth we have here to include the battle of Lammoth. By the way I don’t think that we shouldname him ‘Argon’. In the Shibboleth we told that his own name was never changed, because of his early death. The name ‘Argon’ was later used to name children by sindarin speaking people in memory of his deed, not because it was his name.

… §91 Now rumor came to the camp in Hithlum of the march of Fingolfin and his sons, and {Inglor the son of Finrod}[Finrod the son of Finarfin], who had crossed the Grinding Ice. And all the world lay then in new wonder at the coming of the Moon; for even as the Moon first rose Fingolfin set foot upon Middle-earth, and the Orcs were filled with amazement. SA-EX-07.2 <Shibboleth, Note 38 {When the}Nonetheless an onset of the Orks caught the host at unawares as they marched southwards and the ranks of the Eldar were giving way, {he}when Arakáno sprang forward and hewed a path through the foes, daunted by his stature and the terrible light of his eyes, till he came to the Ork-captain and felled him. Then though he himself was surrounded and slain, the Orks were dismayed, and the Noldor pursued them with slaughter.> SA-EX-07.3<Shibboleth This was the first battle of Fingolfin's host with the Orks, the Battle of the Lammoth.> {But even}Even as the host of Fingolfin marched into Mithrim the Sun rose flaming SA-LQ-03 {in the West}<LQ above the shadows>; and Fingolfin unfurled his blue and silver banners, …

SA-LQ-04: I have some sympathy for Douglas Charles Kane, who whiched that these sentence would not have been removed. But in the end, it was JRR Tolkien who removed it.

SA-EX-07.5: Again a bit from GA to be used since it is not found elsewhere:

But Fingolfin marched through the fastness of the realm of Morgoth, that is Dor-Daedeloth, the Land of Dread, and his foes hid beneath the earth; but the Elves smote upon the gates of Angband, and the challenge of their trumpets shook the towers of Thangorodrim. SA-EX-07.5<GA And {Maidros}[Maedros] heard them amid his torment and cried aloud, but his voice was lost in the echoes of the stone.>
SA-EX-08 {§92 But Fingolfin doubted the wiles of Morgoth, ...

SA-EX-16: I think we must take out a bit more here. Before the fateful parley in which Caranthir verbally attacked Angrod, I would not say that ‘the Noldor began now to wander far and wide over the land, and they built there many fair habitations, and established realms’. This comes rather from the 20 years period before the Mereth Aderthad. In addition I would include a paragraph braek here.

And behind the guard of their armies in the North the Noldor began now to wander far and wide over the land. SA-EX-16 {, and they built there many fair habitations, and established realms; for save in Doriath and in Ossiriand …

SA-EX-17: I think here we should use the formulation of Christopher Tolkien:

§72 SA-EX-17 {In this year}<Sil77 When twenty years of the Sun had passed> Fingolfin, King of the Noldor, called a great council and made a high feast, …

SA-EX-19 and SA-EX-20: Here I think is the palce to add the sub-chapter ‘Concerning the Dwarves’ it is here well before Finrod seeks fro help in building Nargothrond and just after Caranthir moved to the east. Christopher Tolkien inserted a smaller bit of this text slightly ealier, but with this longer text we would breakt the flow of the text and I don’t think that it is a problem to have 20 years pass before telling that Caranthir meet the Dwarves. SA-EX-21 is an addition from GA that we did not consider it the former place of this sub-chapter, but which seems to belong here. The rest of the changes in this sub-chapter have already be discussed.

SA-EX-18 {But the}The hearts of the Noldor were high and full of hope, and it seemed to many of them that the words of Fëanor had been justified, bidding them seek freedom and fair kingdoms in Middle-earth. SA-EX-19<LQ2, moved from chapter ‘Concering the Dwarves and the Edain’
Concerning the Dwarves
§1 SA-EX-20 {Now in time the building of Nargothrond was completed, and Gondolin had been raised in secret; but in the days of the Siege of Angband the Gnomes had yet small need of hiding-places, and they ranged far and wide between the Western Sea and the Blue Mountains. }NE-CD-01 <GA 150 The people of Caranthir Fëanor’s son dwelt beyond the upper waters of {Gelion}[Duin Daer], about Lake Helevorn under the shadow of the Blue Mountains. At this time>{And} it is said that they climbed {Eredlindon}[Ered Lindon] and looked eastward in wonder, for the lands of Middle-earth seemed wild and wide; but none ever passed over the mountains while Angband lasted. In those days the folk of {Cranthir}[Caranthir] first came upon the Dwarves, whom {they [>} the Dark-elves{]} named the Naugrim; for the chief dwellings of that race were then in the mountains east of {Thargelion}[Talath Rhúnen], the land of {Cranthir}[Caranthir], and were digged deep in the eastern slopes of {Eredlindon}[Ered Lindon]. Thence they journeyed often into Beleriand, and were admitted even into Doriath. SA-EX-21<GA {after}After the onslaught of Morgoth and the coming of the Noldor the Dwarves had ceased their traffick into Beleriand. Now, though either people loved skill and was eager to learn, there was little love between the Noldor and the Dwarves. For the Dwarves were secret and quick to resentment, whereas {Cranthir}[Caranthir] was haughty and scarce concealed his scorn for the unloveliness of the Naugrim, and his folk followed their lord. Nonetheless, since both peoples feared and hated Morgoth they made alliance, and had of it great profit. For the Naugrim learned many secrets of craft in those days, so that the smiths and masons of Nogrod and Belegost became renowned among their kin; but the Noldor got great wealth of iron, and their armouries became filled with store of weapons and harness of war. Moreover thereafter, until the power of {Maidros}[Maedros] was overthrown, all the traffick of the dwarf-mines passed first through the hands of {Cranthir}[Caranthir], and thus he won great riches.> There was at that time no enmity between Elves and Dwarves, but nonetheless no great love. NE-CD-02{
Here are the words of Pengolod concerning the Naugrim.[Footnote to the text: All that follows in the section 'Concerning the Dwarves' is written in a much smaller script than that of the opening paragraph.]
§2 The Naugrim are not of Elf-kind, … Arda after the Last Battle.
§3 Now these Fathers, … mansions were at Khazad-dûm.}
§4 In the darkness of Arda already the Naugrim wrought great works, … save in further trading. NE-CD-03{
The Naugrim were ever, … and now is dwindling.}
NE-CD-03.1{§6 The father-tongue of the Dwarves … speeches of the Elves.[Footnote to the text: Thus the Lammas.]}
§7 In their own tongue the Dwarves name themselves {Khuzud [>} Khazâd{]}; and the Dark-elves called them the Naugrim {[> Naug]}, the stunted. Which name the exiled Noldor {also used [>} likewise took for them{]}, but called them also the Nyrn {[struck out: of like meaning]}, and the Gonnhirrim masters of stone; and those who dwelt in {Belegost}[Khazad-dûm] they called the Ennfeng or Longbeards, for their beards swept the floor before their feet. The chief cities of the {Khuzud [>} Khazâd{]} in the west of Middle-earth in those days were at Khazad-dûm, and at Gabilgathol and Tumunzahar, which are interpreted in the {Gnomish}[Elvish] tongue {Nornhabar}[Hadhodrond] the Dwarrowdelf, and Belegost Mickleburg, and Nogrod the Hollowbold. Greatest of all the mansions of the Naugrim was Khazad-dûm, that was after called in the days of its darkness Moria, but it was far off in the Mountains of Mist beyond the wide leagues of Eriador; whereas Belegost and Nogrod were upon the east side of {Eredlindon}[Ered Lindon] and nigh to the lands of the Eldar. Yet few of the Elves, save {Meglin}[Maeglin] of Gondolin, went ever thither; and the Dwarves trafficked into Beleriand, and made a great road that passed under the shoulders of Mount Dolmed and followed thence the course of Ascar, crossing {Gelion}[Duin Daer] at {Sarn-athrad}[Athrad Daer]. There battle later befell; but as yet the Dwarves troubled the Elves little, while the power of the {Gnomes}[Noldor] lasted.{
§8. Here end the words that Pengolod spoke to me concern ing the Dwarves, which are not part of the Pennas as it was. written, but come from other books of lore, from the Lammas, the Dorgannas, and the Quentale Ardanomion: quoth Ælfwine.>

That’s all I could find.

Respectfully
Findegil