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***Mithadan*** · 03-24-2017, 01:37 PM

Forgive me if this hhas been discussed before. I ran a search and could not easily find anything.

We know that Gandalf met a half-crazed Dwarf in the dungeons of the Necromancer who babbled on about the last Dwarven Ring and gave Gandalf a map and a key. Gandalf later deduced that the Dwarf was Thrain II, father of Thorin.

The Necromancer (Sauron) captured Thrain and took the Ring from him. We know from Merry and Pippin's journey with Grishnakh that Sauron's minions have highly detailed means of searching prisoners. I believe the quote is along the lines of "I'll search you to the bones" as he brandished a knife. Sauron also had considerable powers of persuasion.

How is it that during Thrain's interrogation and incarceration, the map and the key were never discovered and taken from him (even if their value was not apparent)?

03-24-2017, 01:37 PM	#1
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,310	Thrain in Dol Guldur Forgive me if this hhas been discussed before. I ran a search and could not easily find anything. We know that Gandalf met a half-crazed Dwarf in the dungeons of the Necromancer who babbled on about the last Dwarven Ring and gave Gandalf a map and a key. Gandalf later deduced that the Dwarf was Thrain II, father of Thorin. The Necromancer (Sauron) captured Thrain and took the Ring from him. We know from Merry and Pippin's journey with Grishnakh that Sauron's minions have highly detailed means of searching prisoners. I believe the quote is along the lines of "I'll search you to the bones" as he brandished a knife. Sauron also had considerable powers of persuasion. How is it that during Thrain's interrogation and incarceration, the map and the key were never discovered and taken from him (even if their value was not apparent)? __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.