[Eol]

Has anyone ever really read the forward in the Silmarillion? I would assume you have as this discussion continues.

Chris explains in the forward that he had a hard time trying to put everything together for flow as many ideas contradicted and created much disharmony. I really do not support the revision of the Sil because Chris did have access to his father's papers and the items that were left out, were left out because they did not make much sense with everything else.

I will end the rant here.

As to the Orcs, well anything that will work, works for me.