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***Mithadan*** · 11-30-2000, 08:35 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/eyepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The Palantir

Red eye added. Satisfied Sir Underhill?

I tend to agree that both the compulsion and the red glow derive from Barad Dur. The only thing which gives me pause is the statements by Gandalf :

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> "Even now my heart desires to test my will upon it, to see if I could not wrench it from him and turn it where I would..." <hr></blockquote>

and

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> "But if I had spoken sooner [to Pippin], it would not have lessened your desire or made it easier to resist" <hr></blockquote>

These quotes seem to suggest that "it", the Palantir, creates a desire in persons to use it. While the first quote addresses "wrenching" the stone from Sauron, the focus appears not to be a desire to challenge Sauron or any compulsion by the Dark Lord. The context is so the stone can be used for Gandalf's personal desire to see if he could use it to view Tirion in ages past when Feanor yet lived.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

11-30-2000, 08:35 AM	#6
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,312	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 358</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/eyepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The Palantir Red eye added. Satisfied Sir Underhill? I tend to agree that both the compulsion and the red glow derive from Barad Dur. The only thing which gives me pause is the statements by Gandalf : <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> "Even now my heart desires to test my will upon it, to see if I could not wrench it from him and turn it where I would..." <hr></blockquote> and <blockquote>Quote:*<hr> "But if I had spoken sooner [to Pippin], it would not have lessened your desire or made it easier to resist" <hr></blockquote> These quotes seem to suggest that "it", the Palantir, creates a desire in persons to use it. While the first quote addresses "wrenching" the stone from Sauron, the focus appears not to be a desire to challenge Sauron or any compulsion by the Dark Lord. The context is so the stone can be used for Gandalf's personal desire to see if he could use it to view Tirion in ages past when Feanor yet lived. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.