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***Mithadan*** · 03-27-2001, 09:13 AM

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Re: When Elves are slain... (Glorfindel)

I am a little confused by the use of the term "reincarnation" in this thread. In Morgoth's Ring, there are essays about how elves return from Mandos after their deaths. An early version suggests they are truly "reincarnated", reborn as a child only to slowly recover memories of their previous incarnation. JRRT scrapped this view in favor of elves being "re-embodied" into a reconstituted version of their own former hroar (bodies). If I recall, it was not entirely clear whether the reconstituted adult bodies were constructed by the Valar or the elves themselves. Glorfindel and, apparently, Finrod are two examples adverted to in JRRT's works. Presumably most though not all elves who were slain were eventually "re-embodied". Exceptions, based upon writings in HoME, appear to be Feanor, Finwe (due to Miriel's emergence from Mandos) and possibly Feanor's sons as well as other more egregious "rebels".

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

03-27-2001, 09:13 AM	#33
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,314	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Spirit of Mist Posts: 761</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: When Elves are slain... (Glorfindel) I am a little confused by the use of the term "reincarnation" in this thread. In Morgoth's Ring, there are essays about how elves return from Mandos after their deaths. An early version suggests they are truly "reincarnated", reborn as a child only to slowly recover memories of their previous incarnation. JRRT scrapped this view in favor of elves being "re-embodied" into a reconstituted version of their own former hroar (bodies). If I recall, it was not entirely clear whether the reconstituted adult bodies were constructed by the Valar or the elves themselves. Glorfindel and, apparently, Finrod are two examples adverted to in JRRT's works. Presumably most though not all elves who were slain were eventually "re-embodied". Exceptions, based upon writings in HoME, appear to be Feanor, Finwe (due to Miriel's emergence from Mandos) and possibly Feanor's sons as well as other more egregious "rebels". --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.