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***Mister Underhill*** · 02-23-2001, 11:24 AM

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Re: That quote ...

I'm intrigued by your theory, Mithadan, but I want to know more. So are you saying that the guiding or directing force behind the "fated" stream of events is not Ilúvatar? If it is him, then doesn't this constitute direct involvement of some kind? If not, then who? The Valar (i.e. Manwë)?

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000005>Mister Underhill</A> at: 2/23/01 12:25:37 pm

02-23-2001, 11:24 AM	#31
*Mister Underhill* Dread Horseman Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Behind you! Posts: 2,743	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 484</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: That quote ... I'm intrigued by your theory, Mithadan, but I want to know more. So are you saying that the guiding or directing force behind the "fated" stream of events is not Ilúvatar? If it is him, then doesn't this constitute direct involvement of some kind? If not, then who? The Valar (i.e. Manwë)? </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000005>Mister Underhill</A> at: 2/23/01 12:25:37 pm