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**lindil** · 10-06-2002, 12:01 PM

Re:

FG-30
Bad Uthwen [ way of esacape] 2 possibilities:
not using an elvish pjrase at all but simply 'the way of escape'.

Bad Uthwen simply feels and looks like 'Noldorin' not Sindarin.

Another possibility is provided
from Quettaparma Quenyanna [ an extensive English --> Elvish wordlist Aiwendil turned me onto]
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Part....html#Heading6

Way tië (path, course, line, direction, road), #vanda (isolated form Qualvanda "Road of Death" in LT1:264; cf. vand- "way, path" on the same page. Yet vanda means "oath" in UT:317, so this old [TLT] word is doubtful. Use tië, or tëa "road") -TE3/RGEO:67, LT1:264

Escape (vb) usin (glossed "he escapes" in LT:251, but in mature Quenya it would have to mean, if anything, *"I escape" - 1. pers. aorist); ESCAPE (noun) uswë (issue) -LT1:251

If we want to go this route, i have no clue as to the grammar required to put the words together w/ 'of'

I do not know if we have pondered substituting a Quenya for [obsolete] noldorin before. It is out on a limb, but could be at least partially justified in that Idril may well ahve used Q. for a close circle secret.

and we already w/ Elemmacil and Voronwe, quenya names popping up inexplicably in the midst of the general Sindarin and/or sindarinized Quenya.

I will try and give these points the appropriate tags [FG-34 or somesuch] w/ my next post and to collect all of it in order. Sorry for any confusion of presentation.

[ October 06, 2002: Message edited by: lindil ]

10-06-2002, 12:01 PM	#9
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,681	Re: FG-30 Bad Uthwen [ way of esacape] 2 possibilities: not using an elvish pjrase at all but simply 'the way of escape'. Bad Uthwen simply feels and looks like 'Noldorin' not Sindarin. Another possibility is provided from Quettaparma Quenyanna [ an extensive English --> Elvish wordlist Aiwendil turned me onto] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Part....html#Heading6 Way tië (path, course, line, direction, road), #vanda (isolated form Qualvanda "Road of Death" in LT1:264; cf. vand- "way, path" on the same page. Yet vanda means "oath" in UT:317, so this old [TLT] word is doubtful. Use tië, or tëa "road") -TE3/RGEO:67, LT1:264 Escape (vb) usin (glossed "he escapes" in LT:251, but in mature Quenya it would have to mean, if anything, *"I escape" - 1. pers. aorist); ESCAPE (noun) uswë (issue) -LT1:251 If we want to go this route, i have no clue as to the grammar required to put the words together w/ 'of' I do not know if we have pondered substituting a Quenya for [obsolete] noldorin before. It is out on a limb, but could be at least partially justified in that Idril may well ahve used Q. for a close circle secret. and we already w/ Elemmacil and Voronwe, quenya names popping up inexplicably in the midst of the general Sindarin and/or sindarinized Quenya. I will try and give these points the appropriate tags [FG-34 or somesuch] w/ my next post and to collect all of it in order. Sorry for any confusion of presentation. [ October 06, 2002: Message edited by: lindil ] __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.