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**lindil** · 10-10-2002, 10:46 PM

OK back to the texts.

I was reading back over the Principles of editing thread [ and I will need to do it a few more times] but one thing everyone but me [almost everyone] seems to agree on is not substituting any Quenya for Sindarin names, as in
Laiqalasse for Legolas or a quenya Way of Escape, etc. So I will abide by that. I imagine at the least it would create a minor uproar in what might be an otherwise favorable review from the ELF community.

As for Bad Uthwen and Rog, I have serious problems with them as they, as I have said before stand out like sore thumbs. They look and feel like Lost Tales Elvish not mature [LotR and later] Elvish.

Now this is clearly trading into the area of editing principles, and is one area where I do not think any serious consensus was reached the Principles thread.

I know Aiwendil and I have polar views on this, though we see eye to eye on virtually all else, so I suppose a vote is the best way to handle it.

What does everyone think?

How far [if at all] should 'aesthetics' play a part. I use the word to describe things like Rog. As a principle it will come far more heavily into play if there is a stylistic editing phase. But for now there are a few things such as the 2 names in question which to my eyes and ears do not seem/feel like any Elvish in the LotR and beyond Phase.

I will of course abide by the group on this but I wonder of it would be best to vote on the use or not [ and limitations] of Aesthetics/ Archaisms sooner rather than later and then be able to get on w/ things.

Other than those 2 points I am w/ Aiwendil and I think Tirinvo on all changes proposed.

I say we hash these points out to our satisfaction and then move on to pt. 2

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lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	OK back to the texts. I was reading back over the Principles of editing thread [ and I will need to do it a few more times] but one thing everyone but me [almost everyone] seems to agree on is not substituting any Quenya for Sindarin names, as in Laiqalasse for Legolas or a quenya Way of Escape, etc. So I will abide by that. I imagine at the least it would create a minor uproar in what might be an otherwise favorable review from the ELF community. As for Bad Uthwen and Rog, I have serious problems with them as they, as I have said before stand out like sore thumbs. They look and feel like Lost Tales Elvish not mature [LotR and later] Elvish. Now this is clearly trading into the area of editing principles, and is one area where I do not think any serious consensus was reached the Principles thread. I know Aiwendil and I have polar views on this, though we see eye to eye on virtually all else, so I suppose a vote is the best way to handle it. What does everyone think? How far [if at all] should 'aesthetics' play a part. I use the word to describe things like Rog. As a principle it will come far more heavily into play if there is a stylistic editing phase. But for now there are a few things such as the 2 names in question which to my eyes and ears do not seem/feel like any Elvish in the LotR and beyond Phase. I will of course abide by the group on this but I wonder of it would be best to vote on the use or not [ and limitations] of Aesthetics/ Archaisms sooner rather than later and then be able to get on w/ things. Other than those 2 points I am w/ Aiwendil and I think Tirinvo on all changes proposed. I say we hash these points out to our satisfaction and then move on to pt. 2 [ October 11, 2002: Message edited by: lindil ] [ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: lindil ] __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.