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Gandalf and Pippin are alive, but Denethor's beloved son is whale food.
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Not to get too philosophical, but in the short run Good can and does lose in Tolkien's world.
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I'd agrue that good loses alot in Middle Earth.
I mean the whole thing starts with Melkor marring the song.
Then after things are set up nice, Melkor takes the elves and corrupts them. He destroys the lamps and then after the Valar set up the nice little trees, Melkor craps all over them with a spider and takes the elves shiny gems.
Elves come over and in a long process more or less lose the War of the Simirals until the Valar finally take pity on them. Gondolin (sp?) one of the brightest cities falls during the war.
Then after all that when finally Melkor is locked up and things look better, Sauron comes along and gets the nice, friendly humans to try and challenge the throne of the Valar and they are destroyed.
We then end up in the Third Age where the most powerful magic items have been corrupted by Sauron and the nine strongest human kings are all Saurons gophers.
Only in the end, on a longshot, does good finally triumph and that only happens because some uppity twisted hobbit doesn't realize he is standing on a ledge over a big pool of lava.
Overall, I think Middle Earth is the story of Good scrapping by despite the fact that the odds are stacked against them.