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**lindil** · 01-25-2001, 03:43 AM

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Galadriel/rings /Maia /greatness and ...

Tar -Elenion , I unfortunately do not have Pictures, I was looking at Saul's ... I will take your word and [JRRT's quotes re: terrain ] for now <img src=wink.gif ALT="

"> As for the many points raised :

Power /greatness andPeredhil/Glorfindel

Glorfindel and Galdriel are given increasingly more powerful statures and roles in JRRt's post LotR writings [see esp. Glor. in HoME 12 ] .
We don't know just how the Maia bloodline effects power- it could well be that that was the reason for his ability to control the river, wwhich I concede prob had little if anything to do w/ the ring .
now that I think on it it seems likely, as the Elves do not seem to be otherwise noted for controlling nature. throughout the tales of the 3 ages only this and Galadriels fog come to mind].

Tar elenion: " Lindil the quote about 'especially Elrond' is in Letter 246. It isquite intriguing."

I hve no hardcopy of letters at the moment but I have to close netscape toopen it , but I will check it out promptly.

Durelen:"Finrod was wise, anything else besides that?"
I have become a big Finrod fan since having read the Athrabeth in HoME 10.
He was probably the most loving and open hearted of the Noldor {not that that is saying much!} that we are given much of a view of. He willingly risks and gives his life in Middle-Earth for Beren. Contrast his study of mortals and their place in Arda and Lindir[?] in rivendell's " mortals have not been our study, we have other concerns..." [from memory]. most of the Eldar put up a wall of sorts between themselves and Men. I was touched when I read in HoME 12 that Elrond loved Aragorn as much as his own sons. We are never shown that kind of warmth directly from Elrond as we are finrod. Even Galdariel [whom I have in threads past-gone to great lengths to support against the charge of being a do-nothing]
spends no time [it seems] w/the fellowship waiting till the end of their stay to eat w/ them.

So , I put Finrod and Galadriel at the top , feanor may have been the most powerful and creative , but he was an arrogant ,deluded, twisted Elf. so Power is no measure of greatness of 'being'

thanks all for the extremely informative discussion . Sorry if It all started from a poor viewing of the pictures , but as i hoped it might the discussion has gone into area's I havn'texplored before: the relationship of the 3 to the users, the nature of the peredhil and elronds stature and place.

One last q. from me-
Tar Elenion, are you basing Elrond's Elwe lineage being primary [to pick among inexact phrases] to him on the speech in the council or is there more on this? "

lindil

Lindil is often found on posting on the New Silmarillion Canon Forum at the Barrowdowns discussion board. 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>

01-25-2001, 03:43 AM	#23
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,681	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">linidl Posts: 331</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Galadriel/rings /Maia /greatness and ... Tar -Elenion , I unfortunately do not have Pictures, I was looking at Saul's ... I will take your word and [JRRT's quotes re: terrain ] for now <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> As for the many points raised : Power /greatness andPeredhil/Glorfindel Glorfindel and Galdriel are given increasingly more powerful statures and roles in JRRt's post LotR writings [see esp. Glor. in HoME 12 ] . We don't know just how the Maia bloodline effects power- it could well be that that was the reason for his ability to control the river, wwhich I concede prob had little if anything to do w/ the ring . now that I think on it it seems likely, as the Elves do not seem to be otherwise noted for controlling nature. throughout the tales of the 3 ages only this and Galadriels fog come to mind]. Tar elenion: " Lindil the quote about 'especially Elrond' is in Letter 246. It isquite intriguing." I hve no hardcopy of letters at the moment but I have to close netscape toopen it , but I will check it out promptly. Durelen:"Finrod was wise, anything else besides that?" I have become a big Finrod fan since having read the Athrabeth in HoME 10. He was probably the most loving and open hearted of the Noldor {not that that is saying much!} that we are given much of a view of. He willingly risks and gives his life in Middle-Earth for Beren. Contrast his study of mortals and their place in Arda and Lindir[?] in rivendell's " mortals have not been our study, we have other concerns..." [from memory]. most of the Eldar put up a wall of sorts between themselves and Men. I was touched when I read in HoME 12 that Elrond loved Aragorn as much as his own sons. We are never shown that kind of warmth directly from Elrond as we are finrod. Even Galdariel [whom I have in threads past-gone to great lengths to support against the charge of being a do-nothing] spends no time [it seems] w/the fellowship waiting till the end of their stay to eat w/ them. So , I put Finrod and Galadriel at the top , feanor may have been the most powerful and creative , but he was an arrogant ,deluded, twisted Elf. so Power is no measure of greatness of 'being' thanks all for the extremely informative discussion . Sorry if It all started from a poor viewing of the pictures , but as i hoped it might the discussion has gone into area's I havn'texplored before: the relationship of the 3 to the users, the nature of the peredhil and elronds stature and place. One last q. from me- Tar Elenion, are you basing Elrond's Elwe lineage being primary [to pick among inexact phrases] to him on the speech in the council or is there more on this? " lindil Lindil is often found on posting on the New Silmarillion Canon Forum at the Barrowdowns discussion board. 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.