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Translations from the Elvish [Outline] version 6.o

Outline 6.0 -
Please note that the following outline is more or less lindil's idea of what Translations from the Elvish could look like. It is not the product of direct Project debate. It is included here as it gives a decent idea of what the group is aiming for in general, if not in exact details. All comments re: it can now go in the *Unofficial Translations from the Elvish Thread*
here is Lindil's 'OLD WORLD' SILMARILLION/TftE outline as it
stands now:



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TRANSLATIONS FROM THE ELVISH[?] vol. I-III
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Volume I
Being the Tales of the Creation and the coming of the Eldar and rebellion of the Noldor in Valinor:


AINULINDALE
VALAQUNTA
both from X
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QUENTA SILMARILLION pt1 the base texts for which are the Annals of Aman and the LQ2 of [ X]

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1 Of VALINOR AND THE TWO TREES /OF THE BEGINING DAYS

2 OF AULE AND YAVANNA

3 OF THE COMING OF THE ELVES
add parts of 'Quendi and Eldar' re : the '144' ? [XI]
4 OF THINGOL AND MELIAN

5 OF ELDAMAR AND THE PRINCES OFTHE ELDALIE add from the Shibboleth of Feanor [XII]
6 {OF THE SILMARILS}THE DARKENING OF VALINOR
[the subchapter division is from X- LQII]
6a + FINWE AND MIRIEL
[w/possible selections from Laws&Customs...' [X]add from the Shibboleth of Feanor [XII]
6b +OF FEANOR AND THE UNCHAINING OF MELKOR
6c + OF THE SILMARILS AND THE UNREST OF
THE NOLDOR
add from'Shibboleth of Feanor' ? [XII]
6d + OF THE DARKENING OF VALINOR
add from of the festival of val
NB: this draft is actually completed and under the thread DoV:...
6e +OF THE RAPE OF THE SILMARILL
6f +OF THE THIEVES ' QUARREL
7 OF THE FLIGHT OF THE NOLDOR
add from'Shibboleth of Feanor'[XII]
8 OF THE SUN ANDTHE MOON AND THE HIDING OF VALINOR
[ additions from Lost tales I ?] This is more problematic than many proposed additions as the nature of the details seems to have gone far afeild from the later conceptions. but perhaps some can be salvaged.

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"Of the War of the Jewels" incorporating the longer fragments of the Narn i hin Hurin , of Tuor and his Coming to and the Fall of Gondolin, the Wanderings of Hurin
"QUENTA SILMARILLION "ptII
Being the Tales of Middle-Earth of the End of the First Age
these are drawn, up until the 15th chapter primarily from the War of the Jewels, after that it is an amalgam from The Book of Lost talesII, The
Shaping of Middle-Earth, The Lost Road, The War of the Jewels, Unfinished Tales and , The 1977/2001 Silmarillion .

9 OF MEN
I am not at all sure of the way to deal w/ the later conceptions of Chronology. Any ideas?

10 OF THE SIEGE OF ANGBAND
11 OF BELERIAND AND IT'S REALMS /[XV] OF THE NOLDOR INBELERIAND
add from 'Shibboleth of Feanor' [XII]
12 OF TURGON AND THE BUILDING OF GONDOLIN coupled w/ OF MAEGLIN
add from 'maeglin' in XI [possibly switch the order of Chapters w/ Of the Dwarves to reflect Eol's prior contact]

13 CONCERNING THE DWARVES
add from ' On Dwarves and Men' [XII]

14 OF THE COMING OF MEN INTO THE WEST
addfrm On Dwarves and Men and, Faithful Stone ' from {UT & XII]

[ here the chapters have been tentativly renumbered ]

15 OF FINROD AND ANDRETH
add the 'Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth' [X]
[a recent suggestion which found suprising acceptance ]

16 OF THE RUIN OF BELERIAND AND THE FALL OF FINGOLFIN

17 - BEREN AND LUTHIEN
add from [III]

18 OF THE FIFTH BATTLE:NIRNAETH ARNOEDIAD
insert the section from the Narn of Hurin's farewell in Dor Lomin

19 OF TUOR AND HIS COMING TO GONDOLIN

20 OF TURIN TURAMBAR AND THE NARN I CHIN HURIN
[U T, II,III,IV,V and XI] and the gloss from 'Aelfwine and Dirhavel' from [XI]

21 OF THE WANDERINGS OF HURIN and OF THE RUIN OF DORIATH
add from II ?,IV,V [and later sketches of Hurin?] or
[and I consider this more feasable]use CRT's chapter from the 77.

22 THE FALL OF GONDOLIN
add of details of the battle of the city and flight to Sirion from [II]


23OF THE VOYAGE OF EARENDIL AND THE WAR OF WRATH
[w/ or without the 2nd prophecy of mandos?]
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Volume II
being the Appendices to the Quenta Silmarillion and the Tales of the Second Age.

* LAWS AND CUSTOMS AMONG THE ELDAR


*TALE OF YEARS/ANNALS OF THE 1ST AGE [?]

* OF LEMBAS

* Commentary/Notes to the ATHRABETH FINROD AH ANDRETH


Their have been several sugesstions as to how to present the rather chaotic mass of 2nd and third age writings.
In principle I would prefer narratives w/ sub headings - interspersed w/ a tale of years style timelinr when the material is too thin too stand alone as narrative.
THE SECOND AGE:
-Of the Founding of Numenor [w/ a description of numenor from UT]
-Of the Elf kingdoms in Middle-Earth and of Dwarves and Men [pre- war material]
- Aldarion and Erendis
- Tal Elmar
- Of the Rings of Power The War of the Elves and Sauron
- Of the Line of Elros and the Fall of Numenor
-Of the Last Alliance

Maedhros has suggested adding "Chapter III and IV (The Númenórean Chapters) of The Lost Road in Home V.
I think that it gives us an interesting look at Númenórean society in the seemingly last few years of Númenor. Granted that it would need a bit of work, but if we can do the FOG, how hard can this be?"

Volume III
being the Annals and Tales of the Third Age prior to the War of the Ring along with much Elvish linguistic material.

THE THIRD AGE :
[ The folowing interspersed in the midst of a Tale of years/ remaining material from of the Rings of power and the Third Age]
- The Disaster of the Gladden Fields
- Galadriel and Celeborn [remaing third age material]
-Cirion and Eorl
- The Druedain [any remaining pre-LotR material]
-The Palantiri ?
-of Glorfindel and Cirdan ?
-The Istari ?
-The Quest for Erebor [final narrative which sets the stage for the Hobbit]
*ETYMOLOGIES ? [revised]/ ELVISH DICTIONARY Quenya and Sindarin

*QUENDI AND ELDAR w/ the Osanwe - Kenta [and [revised]LHAMMAS ? w/DANGWETH PENGOLOD? ]

* SHIBBOLETH OF FEANOR [linguistic sections] ====================================
+++ Again please note This outline does not as yet reflect the group consensuson allpoints it is primarily the opinions of lindil
+++Even where not specifically mentioned it is assumed that all relevant Annals and versions of the Quenta Silmarillion of I-V, and X-XII will be consulted
++++ This not an outline that takes the more radical farreaching ideas of Myth's Tansformed cosmology into account . The thread of that namecovers some issues , Perhaps an outline similar to this w/explanations of the changes involved in a MT versionof each chapter will appear at somepoint inthe future by someone w/ a strong urge to tackle it.

================================== Comments on the outline, are of course most welcome. Please put them in the 'Unofficial proposed outline thread'.
[ June 21, 2002: Message edited many, many times by: lindil ]5.4

[ October 20, 2002: Message edited by: lindil ]5.5

6.o done on

[ March 07, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ]
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