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Old 09-23-2014, 03:58 PM   #11
Belegorn
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Originally Posted by VarTalman View Post
Men do enter the story of Creation but long after the Elves who if angels in representation had the First Age to themselves.
The rising of the Sun was the start of the 1st Age, into which Men were come. There were Ages before that, but this was before the Sun was made.

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Originally Posted by VarTalman View Post
If I am correct, Tolkien had to account for the chaining and bannishment of Satan from heaven, the creation of Hell, the building of Eden all before introducing humans to the tale.
This was actually accomplished when Elves were introduced into the tale. The Valar had the Elves come to Aman where Melkor was imprisoned for three Ages. Also, the Maiar were all bound to Eä who entered it. There was no heaven. Melkor reigned in the North of Beleriand. Aman was set west of Beleriand in the sea. In Manwë's words:

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Originally Posted by Of the Coming of the Elves
we should take up again the mastery of Arda, at whatsoever cost, and deliver the Quendi from the shadow of Melkor.
I'm not sure about the Aman - Eden comparison. It was never meant to be a home to Men, but rather of the Elves [who it seems you are assuming are like the angels of the Bible; I'd say, if I were to have a pick, that it was the Maiar who were like angels] and the Maiar, and they built it and fortified it as a defense against Melkor.
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