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***Mithadan*** · 11-06-2000, 11:20 PM

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Re: Orcish Fear

Urkahoth? Black speech dates to the Second Age anyway doesn't it?

Not sure I understand why this is a "third point of contention". Are you suggesting bestial origins for anything whose elvish name derives from the Ruku? Probably not. The Valaraukar clearly weren't animals. I have to assume that I lost the "thread" (yuck, yuck) of this discussion.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

11-06-2000, 11:20 PM	#43
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,313	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 312</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Orcish Fear Urkahoth? Black speech dates to the Second Age anyway doesn't it? Not sure I understand why this is a "third point of contention". Are you suggesting bestial origins for anything whose elvish name derives from the Ruku? Probably not. The Valaraukar clearly weren't animals. I have to assume that I lost the "thread" (yuck, yuck) of this discussion. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.