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Old 03-04-2003, 08:01 AM   #31
lindil
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"Oh come on, don't you think comparing the Feanorians slaugther in Doriath and Sirion is a bet far-fetched to compare Celebrimbor and the Gwaith-i-Mirdain's forging of the rings?"

Obviously Celebrimbor and co. were not as ill-willed as Feanor, but they suffered from a pride that they could somehow stop time [ and the natural flow of it in parts of M-E] in order to wall it off and create Elvish paradise.

And to do so they were willing to treat with someone their elders [Galadriel at least, and Gil-Galad the putative 'High-King' of the Noldor] said was bad news.

So Sauron tempted the Eregion smiths in a spot of weakness just as Morgoth engineered the rebellion of the Noldor in a spot of weakness. It even says in UT that Celebrmbor sent Galadriel and Celeborn [at one point the founders of Eregion] packing.

So Celebrimbor was [partially] responsible for the next round of wars with Suaron. One could argue that they would have happened anyway, but a careful reading of MM's article, 'Shh it was a secret Ring' shows just how deceptive the Elves were with their own Numenorean Allies over the matter of the Rings.

Also was Celebrimbor utterly ignorant of what the none would do to Men?

So while Celebrimbor did not wreak the havoc of Feanor or his sons, he was certainly Feanor's grandson in respect to the amount of chaos he left in his wake!

[ March 04, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ]
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