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Telchar · 06-01-2001, 07:05 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The Silmarillion's quiz

I have a comment to Grond who said:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Saruman and Radagast were known as Curumo and Aiwendil. Saruman and Radagast are not properly maiar, but istari (since they were invested in human bodies they were tied to the world and things like this...)<hr></blockquote>

I totally disagree! Although you're right that they (the Istari) were tied to the world and could be slain - they still remained maiar spirits - if slain they would like Gandalf return to Aman to be rehoused or as in Saurons case create a new body/house for themselves - what you're saying is that when Saurons body were slain in the downfall of Numenor he would die because he was a man? Here I assume that he took the the shape of a man when he was taken captive by the Numenoreans.
Gandalf spirit returned to Aman when his body was slain. Saruman was slain and his spirit rouse from his body:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> From RoTK
For a moment it wavered, looking to the West; but out of the West came a cold wind, and it bend away, and with a sigh dissolved into<hr></blockquote>

Sarumans return was refused by the Valar or maybe even Iluvatar - so he could not return - wether or not he with time could be able to create a new house for his spirit I do not know...

It's like having a cup of tea - if you break the cup you no longer have a cup, but you still have tea - now its just on the floor <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

<img src=smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> Telchar

Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000018>Telchar</A> at: 6/1/01 9:13:00 am

06-01-2001, 07:05 AM	#84
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 317</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The Silmarillion's quiz I have a comment to Grond who said: <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> Saruman and Radagast were known as Curumo and Aiwendil. Saruman and Radagast are not properly maiar, but istari (since they were invested in human bodies they were tied to the world and things like this...)<hr></blockquote> I totally disagree! Although you're right that they (the Istari) were tied to the world and could be slain - they still remained maiar spirits - if slain they would like Gandalf return to Aman to be rehoused or as in Saurons case create a new body/house for themselves - what you're saying is that when Saurons body were slain in the downfall of Numenor he would die because he was a man? Here I assume that he took the the shape of a man when he was taken captive by the Numenoreans. Gandalf spirit returned to Aman when his body was slain. Saruman was slain and his spirit rouse from his body: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> From RoTK For a moment it wavered, looking to the West; but out of the West came a cold wind, and it bend away, and with a sigh dissolved into<hr></blockquote> Sarumans return was refused by the Valar or maybe even Iluvatar - so he could not return - wether or not he with time could be able to create a new house for his spirit I do not know... It's like having a cup of tea - if you break the cup you no longer have a cup, but you still have tea - now its just on the floor <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> Telchar Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000018>Telchar</A> at: 6/1/01 9:13:00 am* __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.