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Telchar · 06-06-2001, 11:30 PM

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Re: Celebrimbor

OK - So we know he was born in Aman, which gives him both the age and wisdom to create the stone. I think we can rule out that it was made during the time in Araman, so it had to be made in the first 100 years of the first age or more proberly (which I myself find unlikely) in the 40 years after Dagor Aglareb and the beginning if the Siege of Angband. That is the only time it could be made if it was not made IN GONDOLIN.

Celebimbor himself in Gondolin is too conflicting with the rest of the material.

My own guess is that when Tolkien wrote the last remark in the essay conserning the Elessar he had something greater in mind - Like removing Celebrimbor completely from the "stained" house of Fëanor. Very much like he changed his wiev on the parentage on Gil-Galad and Orodreth.

The really really easy way out is just accepting the Enerdhil-story, then you also would be able to use the sentance: "In ages after there was again an Elessar, and of this two things are said,though which is true only those Wise could say who are now gone.

The Enerdhil-story in no way conflicts with the rest of the published material - as I see it.
It doesn't conflict with what we are told about Celebrimbors parentage and it doesn't raise question about how Idril got in possesion of the stone.

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Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000018>Telchar</A> at: 6/7/01 1:33:29 am

06-06-2001, 11:30 PM	#22
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 337</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Celebrimbor OK - So we know he was born in Aman, which gives him both the age and wisdom to create the stone. I think we can rule out that it was made during the time in Araman, so it had to be made in the first 100 years of the first age or more proberly (which I myself find unlikely) in the 40 years after Dagor Aglareb and the beginning if the Siege of Angband. That is the only time it could be made if it was not made IN GONDOLIN. Celebimbor himself in Gondolin is too conflicting with the rest of the material. My own guess is that when Tolkien wrote the last remark in the essay conserning the Elessar he had something greater in mind - Like removing Celebrimbor completely from the "stained" house of Fëanor. Very much like he changed his wiev on the parentage on Gil-Galad and Orodreth. The really really easy way out is just accepting the Enerdhil-story, then you also would be able to use the sentance: "In ages after there was again an Elessar, and of this two things are said,though which is true only those Wise could say who are now gone. The Enerdhil-story in no way conflicts with the rest of the published material - as I see it. It doesn't conflict with what we are told about Celebrimbors parentage and it doesn't raise question about how Idril got in possesion of the stone. <img src=smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> Telchar Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000018>Telchar</A> at: 6/7/01 1:33:29 am __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.