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Re: Many Many Balrogs
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Quote:<hr> In several spots here I seem to be summoned to judge delicate matters<hr></blockquote>
Apologies. We both know what the original intent was, and this wasn't it.
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Quote:<hr> I may submit my own opinion, which, was of course influenced by Bob’s ideas<hr></blockquote>
I noticed the alterations. <img src=wink.gif ALT="
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Quote:<hr> Maybe, I’m even late, for Bob almost answered all the requests.<hr></blockquote>
Again, not the intent. In the interim, thanks to several devious references by someone---my old identity here was all but written out for everyone to see who understood---which most CERTAINLY was not any intent of mine. For the benefit of the someone who worked so hard to accomplish this revelation:
Yes, I admit it, you can stop now.
I am the person who posted here moons ago under the name _Saulotus_.
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Quote:<hr> We must assume them to be some other ealar, but of lesser strength and not opposed in function to Maiar, so there is no need to consider them as Umaiar, yet rather than opposite to those spirits which incarnate Eagles, Ents and so on. If I were allowed to use invented term...<hr></blockquote>
I see you're not entirely happy with the Spirits of Elemental Earth [Air, Water, FIRE, and Earth] aka Earthlings [ne--Nermir, Tavari etc.] explanation. No matter. But then I don't recall mentioning Giants, Ogres, Mermaids [from which Goldberry derives---possibly a homage to old Fairy Tales, in much the same I suspect that the word Maia is, as found in the Olive Fairy Book] or any other [fouler and fairer] things older than Sauron.
And Ealar still doesn't equal Ainu. But I think you somewhat accept this in your opinion.
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Quote:<hr> Valaraukar – “Mighty Demons” certainly means 7 great ones, yet translation “balrog”, applied to those in ME, is not literal<hr></blockquote>
You can find more information on this in _Quendi and Eldar_ Author's Note 28 as another readily available place.
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Quote:<hr> One can apply such a term even to one’s own not so pleasant neighbour, disturbing one’s sleep by night with some naughty noisy behaviour.<hr></blockquote>
Funny you should mention that.
Have you ever been awakened on a _Wednesday!_ night at 3 a.m. to your neighbor's inebriated friends singing _quite_ off-key and honking their car horn in beat to a song with lyrics, which if I remember correctly are: "on the radio ooo-ooo [honk-honk], {something something} on the radio ooo-ooo [Honk-honk]"
I think it was Donna Summer. Donna Summer? If I had to be awakened in such a manner, at least it could have been with a more tasteful song. The theme to 'I dream of Jeanie' would have more tasteful than _that_ was.
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Quote:<hr> for Legolas any fire spirit is Balrog, and even if it is not a Valarauko, it is the thing which was before Arda<hr></blockquote>
Quite right on Legolas I think.
Befor Adra? Is it?
Arda [or Ea if you prefer] was first in creation... _Then_ the Ainu came to Arda and entered _into_ the story of TIME.
The Ainu are before Creation, but not before Time.
I mentioned a reference to the Tom thread, and it's relevance with Eru sending the Secret Fire into the heart of the world.
Further information on the secret fire is a whole seperate discussion.
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Quote:<hr> I think Bob won't mind if I give a citation from his letter to me<hr></blockquote>
No. I think it's actually just desserts. <img src=wink.gif ALT="
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