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Old 03-19-2004, 07:20 AM   #13
Findegil
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About Gil-Galad: May be Petty Dwarfe is right and we should try to work out a text were Gil-Galad stayed at the havens of Sirions mouth. But howe can we then work out the attack of the Feanorians? Let'stry that at once:
VE-10:
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And so came in the end to pass the last and cruellest of the slayings of Elf by Elf; and that was the third of the great wrongs achieved by the accursed oath. For the sons of Fëanor came down upon the exiles of Gondolin and the remnant of Doriath and destroyed them. Though some of their folk stood aside, and some few rebelled and were slain upon the other part aiding Elwing against their own lords (for such was the sorrow and confusion of the hearts of {Elfinesse} [Elvenesse] in those days), yet {Maidros} [Maedhros] and Maglor won the day. Alone they now remained of the sons of Fëanor, for in that battle {Damrod and {Díriel}[Amras] were}[Amrod] was slain; but the folk of Sirion perished or fled away led by Gil-Galad, or departed of need to join the people of Maidros{,}[.] /*QS77 Too late the ships of Círdan{ and Gil-galad the High King} came hasting to the aid of the Elves of Sirion; and Elwing was gone, and her sons. Then such few of that people as did not perish in the assault led by{joined themselves to} Gil-galad{, and} went with him to Balar; and they told that Elros and Elrond were taken captive{,}*\[.]{, who claimed now} [Maedhros now claimed] the lordship of all the Elves of the Hither Lands{. And yet Maidros} [and yet he] gained not the Silmaril, for Elwing seeing that all was lost and her children Elros and Elrond taken captive, eluded the host of {Maidros} [Maedhros], and with the Nauglamír upon her breast she cast herself into the sea, and perished as folk thought.
In addition we must make clear that there were groups of poeple at the Havens all of which had their owne leader, but that Gil-Galad was their oferlord as King of the Noldor in exil.
VE-02/03:
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Yet by Sirion and the sea there grew up an elven folk, the gleanings of Gondolin and Doriath[.]<PG {Ereinion} [Rodnor] Gil-galad son of Orodreth, who had escaped the fall of Nargothrond and come to Sirion's Mouth, was <QS77 named> King of the Noldor there.> The Silmaril brought blessing upon them and Idril wore the Elessar upon her breast and they were healed, and they multiplied; and from Balar the mariners of Círdan came among them, and they took to the waves and {the making of fair ships}the building of ships and built a haven, dwelling ever nigh unto the shores of Arvernien, upon the delta amid the waters under the shadow of Ulmo's hand. Many fugitives gathered unto them.
I skipt the passage of Gil-Galads apperence. If we will use the information about his mother somewere else (the Chapter of Túrin in Nargothrond was suggested and I like to suggest "Of Beleriand and its Realms"), we should also introduce his apperence there.
Two further passages come to my mind:
VE-08:
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Bright Earendel was then lord of the {folk of Sirion}Lothrim and their many ships; and he took to wife Elwing the fair, and she bore him Elros and Elrond, who are called the Halfelven.
That makes him only the lord of the remants of Gondolin and Doriath that had taken this name a few lines before. It leaves room fro Gil-Galad being King.
VE-09:
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Upon the havens of Sirion new woe had fallen. The dwelling of Elwing there, where still she possessed the Nauglamír and the glorious Silmaril, became known unto the remaining sons of Fëanor, {Maidros} [Maedhros] and Maglor and {Damrod} [Amrod] {and {Díriel} [Amras]}; and they gathered together from their wandering hunting-paths, and messages of friendship and yet stern demand they sent unto Sirion. But Elwing and the {folk of Sirion}Lothrim would not yield that jewel which Beren had won and Lúthien had worn, and for which Dior the Fair was slain; and least of all while {Eärendel} [Eärendil] their lord was in the sea, for them seemed that in that jewel lay the gift of bliss and healing that had come upon their houses and their ships.
Maybe this all is a bit artifical, but it works out. The addition in VE-10 is risky, since we know nothing about what Gil-Galad did during the attack. But if we are going to introduce him at the havens that was the least risky way I could think of.


About Amras: I think we should burn him with the ship (so to say).

About the Lay as intro: It works fine for me and I can't see any problem with the further mention of it in the text. May be we should add some words after it to show that we have quoted a part of the lay. That would allow for further mentions even more natrual of it.

Stated by Maedhros:
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I think that we should also change all of the references of Light-elves to Fair-elves
I don't think so. Light-elves was used in [k]The Hobbit[/k] and we can not chang it there. So, why not use it here? Also I don't think Quendi had to go. If we change that, we can only do so for clarification, but that we have allway aviode so fare.

Respectfully
Findegil

Edited to change "were" to "was" in VE-10 because Amrod alone is singular, and reetsablish "and" between Gondolin and Doriath in VE-02/03 - the deletion was an artefact of my editing.

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