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Old 05-02-2019, 07:26 AM   #151
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Originally Posted by Inziladun View Post
Hmm. If he was aware, maybe he just didn't think, or at least hoped, that the average English-reading consumer wouldn't make any negative association.
... which would be an interesting hope, given that the word 'pornography' is attested as far back as the 1840s. Actually, 'porno' itself shows up in the OED by the '50s... I think 'Teleporno' is a 'late writings' name from Tolkien, so probably the late '60s or even early '70s.

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Originally Posted by The Squatter of Amon Rûdh View Post
I think it's probably more complicated than that. Whatever associations somebody might make, that was the proper form according to the phonological rules JRRT had laid down. To change it to something else would mean inventing a reason for the exception or rethinking the rules themselves, potentially having to change dozens of other names distributed around a frightening array of manuscripts. Also Tolkien preferred to write his way around problems like this rather than simply remove them. In any case, this sort of coincidental double meaning crops up in natural languages all the time. I found a reference once to a Persian personal name Nazgül, meaning 'shy rose'.
This I think hits close to the mark, though I'd make two additional (and slightly contradictory) points:

-I don't know that the 'Valinorean Celeborn' writings were ever aimed at publication; they could just have been Tolkien 'thinking on paper' (so to speak). He could even have had a quiet chuckle at how The Youth Of Today would probably read the name.

-'Teleporno' isn't the pure Quenya form (which would be 'Telporno') - it's Telerin, a language that... well, wasn't used for much at all. 'Alatariel' and 'Telperion' are the only other words of note that use it - and 'Telperion' uses a different form of the word for 'silver'! Obviously 'Telpeorno' would sound <i>horrifying</i> to Elvish ears, but I'm sure Tolkien could have come up with a different form if he'd felt the need. The compound form 'Telep(i)' was literally never used other than in 'Teleporno' itself, and he actually rejected 'Telepimpar' for 'Telperimpar' as a translation of 'Celebrimbor'. So we could have had 'Telperorno'.

(Yeah, there's a tele-pimp as well as tele-porn, I know, I know.)

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