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**lindil** · 03-08-2001, 12:49 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Greetings

Welcome to the Silm forum Elennana.
I think that your question is answered in largew part by Osanwe-Kenta [ see the books thread 'a review of JRRT's Osanwe-Kenta] This means 'transmission of thought' and was the means whereby the Valar and Eldar [and rarely - men] communicate mind to mind. There are numerous instances in the LotR although not always readily seen as such. The prime example though being the Keepers of the three rings sitting up late into the night in the forests of dunland, speaking mind to mind [many partings RotK]. How this relates to Morgoth is I postulate that Morgoth could know the minds of his servants -when he chose to . Not all of them all of the time.
But if he kept spies in Hithlum watching Turin and Morwen's house he would see what they did.

So this would not be omniscience, but clairsentience -dependent on his servants.

I would try and re- post this in the book section and i bet you will get a lively reply.
or can move the thread there if you like.

Great question !

Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowowns<u> Silmarillion canon , theories and discussion Forum </u> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>

03-08-2001, 12:49 AM	#5
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 445</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/nenya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Greetings Welcome to the Silm forum Elennana. I think that your question is answered in largew part by Osanwe-Kenta [ see the books thread 'a review of JRRT's Osanwe-Kenta] This means 'transmission of thought' and was the means whereby the Valar and Eldar [and rarely - men] communicate mind to mind. There are numerous instances in the LotR although not always readily seen as such. The prime example though being the Keepers of the three rings sitting up late into the night in the forests of dunland, speaking mind to mind [many partings RotK]. How this relates to Morgoth is I postulate that Morgoth could know the minds of his servants -when he chose to . Not all of them all of the time. But if he kept spies in Hithlum watching Turin and Morwen's house he would see what they did. So this would not be omniscience, but clairsentience -dependent on his servants. I would try and re- post this in the book section and i bet you will get a lively reply. or can move the thread there if you like. Great question ! Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowowns<u> Silmarillion canon , theories and discussion Forum </u> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.