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Telchar · 07-06-2001, 12:15 AM

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Re: The Blue Wizards

Yes indeed Sharku. But if we count it as the time of his point of no return its still much later than the time I originally estimated...

We could say that one difference between the evil of Sauron and Saruman was that Saurons evil was founded on hatret of elves and men which caused the fall of his master, and Sarumans evil that was founded in Sarumans jealousy of Gandalf, which can be dated as far back as to Valinor.
Saruman was working his own evil slowly increasing it to the point where he turned the palantir towards Baradur - and then he was daunted and persauded... then there was no return - one question is: was he allready before that beyond help? and when did he first look in the stone - for instance where was the Ithil Stone in the years between the first Fall of Baradur and TA2950? - Did Sauron have it in Dol Guldur - it might be!!!

Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>

07-06-2001, 12:15 AM	#30
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ghost-Prince of Cardolan Posts: 606</TD><TD><img src=http://www.hbgk.dk/terning.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: The Blue Wizards Yes indeed Sharku. But if we count it as the time of his point of no return its still much later than the time I originally estimated... We could say that one difference between the evil of Sauron and Saruman was that Saurons evil was founded on hatret of elves and men which caused the fall of his master, and Sarumans evil that was founded in Sarumans jealousy of Gandalf, which can be dated as far back as to Valinor. Saruman was working his own evil slowly increasing it to the point where he turned the palantir towards Baradur - and then he was daunted and persauded... then there was no return - one question is: was he allready before that beyond help? and when did he first look in the stone - for instance where was the Ithil Stone in the years between the first Fall of Baradur and TA2950? - Did Sauron have it in Dol Guldur - it might be!!! Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p> __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.