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***Gilthalion*** · 07-31-2001, 01:41 PM

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Re: Why is enigma pretty much tied with maia and earth spiri

I just can't conceive of Tolkien intending that human immortality lost to original sin would be a concept his world would explain away as a lie of Morgoth.

That would be a reason for him to ultimately reject the "elves were mistaken" line of thought.

Tying in the Fall of Man to his mythology is an interesting speculation. Are you folk saying that Tolkien considered it?

Pardon my ignorance of this piece you're talking about. Where can I find it?

It's ingenious, but possibly if Tolkien considered it, he might have rejected the connection as a prideful construct that should not have been introduced. I get the sense from his letters that he might have had such sensibilities.

Tolkien largely does not treat with the religions (so-to-speak) of his Men. The High Men believed as did the Elves. But what of their first beginnings when they woke?

There's room for the Fall in Tolkien's mythology, and a place for it. Perhaps Death could be considered a Gift, if one considers what an immortal life could be like for Fallen Man. As the cautionary tales of Greek Mythology teach, I fear that having fallen, immortality would be a curse to Men.

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07-31-2001, 01:41 PM	#13
*Gilthalion* Hobbitus Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: South Farthing Posts: 635	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hobbitus Emeritus Posts: 529</TD><TD><img src=http://home.att.net/~robertwgardner/lotrmap.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Why is enigma pretty much tied with maia and earth spiri I just can't conceive of Tolkien intending that human immortality lost to original sin would be a concept his world would explain away as a lie of Morgoth. That would be a reason for him to ultimately reject the "elves were mistaken" line of thought. Tying in the Fall of Man to his mythology is an interesting speculation. Are you folk saying that Tolkien considered it? Pardon my ignorance of this piece you're talking about. Where can I find it? It's ingenious, but possibly if Tolkien considered it, he might have rejected the connection as a prideful construct that should not have been introduced. I get the sense from his letters that he might have had such sensibilities. Tolkien largely does not treat with the religions (so-to-speak) of his Men. The High Men believed as did the Elves. But what of their first beginnings when they woke? There's room for the Fall in Tolkien's mythology, and a place for it. Perhaps Death could be considered a Gift, if one considers what an immortal life could be like for Fallen Man. As the cautionary tales of Greek Mythology teach, I fear that having fallen, immortality would be a curse to Men. <center><font face=verdana size=1> http://www.barrowdowns.comBarrow-Downs</a>~http://www.geocities.com/robertwgardner2000Bare Bones</a>~http://pub41.ezboard.com/btarostineruhirTar Ost-in-Eruhir</a>~http://www.geocities.com/robertwgard...ilthalion.htmlGrand Adventures</a>~http://www.barrowdowns.com/fanfichobbits.aspThe Hobbits</a>~http://www.tolkientrail.comTolkien Trail</a> </center></p> __________________ Please read my fan fiction novel THE HOBBITS. Wanna hear me read Tolkien? Gilthalion's Grand Adventures!