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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The oldest people of ME?
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"Specific indeed, although I can still imagine one could counter this. Are the High-elves and oldest elves in Middle-Earth of the Third Age still a 'people'? Círdan is only one person who awoke at Cuivienen, not a people."
Yes, most certainly and undoubtedly, the Elves are still a people. They would cease to be a people if they had left entirely. Also, your statement implies that all High Elves would have to be born in Cuivienen. This is of course not so, since they could have been born in AMan as well <img src=smile.gif ALT="
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Note that there were still Noldor in Lorien and Rivendell and Mithlond in the Third Age.
Círdan is only one person who awoke at Cuivienen, not a people."
Cirdan
possiblyawoke at Cuivienen, not certainly. What is certain is that he is not one of the first elves, the Unbegotten.
Surviving is I believe not of added value in this case. It could have said, who were the eldest people still alive and the answer would still have been the Ents, as we learn in appendix F.
Cheers
"In those days the Noldor still roamed the Hither Lands, Mightiest among the Children of Iluvatar, fair and tall and their beautiful voices were still heard by mere mortals"</p>