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Old 02-02-2003, 02:27 AM   #9
doug*platypus
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Good point.

"Look what I made! I am Saruman Ring-Maker!"

"Neat. What does it do?"

"uh... look what I made!"

I don't know much about the cosmology of Arda, but wouldn't the Valar have to push Saruman out the Door of Night for him to enter the Outer Void? Ditto Sauron? It seems likely to me that, rather than keeping Morgoth company, they are flitting around Middle-Earth somewhere, bodiless and completely powerless, and not very happy.
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