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**lindil** · 03-27-2001, 10:58 AM

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5.4b Outline

A Few preliminary Notes removed to after the outline.

here is Lindil's 'OLD STYLE' SILMARILLION outline as it
stands now:

================================

<center> <u> TRANSLATIONS FROM THE ELVISH vol. I-III</u>
===

Volume I
being the Tales of the Creation and the coming of the Eldar and rebellion of the Noldor in Valinor:

AINULINDALE/VALAQUNTA

-----------
QUENTA SILMARILLION pt1
bethe base texts for which are the Annals of Aman and the LQ2 of Morgoth's Ring X

******
1 Of VALINOR AND THE TWO TREES /OF THE BEGINING
DAYS

2 OF AULE AND YAVANNA

3 OF THE COMING OF THE ELVES
.. add parts of 'Quendi andEldar' re : the '144' [XI]

4 OF THINGOL AND MELIAN

5 OF ELDAMAR AND THE PRINCES OFTHE ELDALIE add from the Shibboleth of Feanor [XII]

6 {OF THE SILMARILS}THE DARKENING OF VALINOR
[the subchapter division is from X]

6a + FINWE AND MIRIEL
[w/possible selections from Laws&Customs...' [HoME X]add from the Shibboleth of Feanor [XII]

6b +OF FEANOR AND THE UNCHAINING OF ME

6c + OF THE SILMARILS AND THE UNREST OF
THE NOLDOR
add from'Shibboleth of Feanor' ?[HoME 12]

6d + OF THE DARKENING OF VALINOR
add from [HoME 1] of the festival of valinor

6e +OF THE RAPE OF THE SILMARILLS

6f +OF THE THIEVES ' QUARREL

7 OF THE FLIGHT OF THE NOLDOR
add from'Shibboleth of Feanor'[HoMEXII]

8 OF THE SUN ANDTHE MOON AND THE HIDING OF VALINOR
[ additions from Lost tales I ?] This is more problematic than many proposed additions as the nature of the details seems to have gone far afeild from the later conceptions.
================================================== ================================================== =

Volume II
QUENTA SILMARILLION ptII
being the Tales of Middle-Earth of the End of the First Age
these are drawn, up until the 15th chapter primarily from the War of the Jewels, after that it is an amalgam from The Book of Lost talesII, The Shaping of Middle-Earth, The Lost Road, The war of the Jewels, Unfinished Tales and , The 1977 Silmarillion .

9 OF MEN
I am not at all sure of the way to deal w/ the later conceptions of Chronology. Any ideas?

10 OF THE SIEGE OF ANGBAND

11 OF BELERIAND AND IT'S REALMS /[XV] OF THE NOLDOR IN
BELERIAND
add from 'Shibboleth of Feanor' [HoME 12]

12 OF TURGON AND THE BUILDING OF GONDOLIN coupled w/
[16] OF MAEGLIN
add from 'maeglin' in HoMEXI [possibly switch the order of Chapters w/ Of the Dwarves to reflect Eol's prior contact]

13 CONCERNING THE DWARVES
add from ' On Dwarves and Men' [HoME 12]

14 OF THE COMING OF MENINTO THE WEST
add from Finrod and Andreth{HoME10} and from On Dwarves and Men [HoME 12]
Add Faithful Stone ' from UT

15 OF THE RUIN OF BELERIAND AND THE FALL OF FINGOLFIN

16 ?- BEREN AND LUTHIEN
add from LaysIII
[ here the chapters have to re be renumbered ]

[2O] OF THE FIFTH BATTLE:NIRNAETH ARNOEDIAD
insert the section from the Narn of Hurin's farewell in Dor Lomin

[21] OF TURIN TURAMBAR &'THE WANDERINGS OF HURIN'
add the 'Narn I Chin Hurin' [U T} II -V and XI

[22] OF THE RUIN OF DORIATH
add from II,IV,V [and later sketches of Hurin?] or
use CRT's chapter from the 77.

[23] OF TOUR AND THE FALL OF GONDOLIN
add of 'Of Tour and his coming to Gondolin [UT]and
details of the battle of the city fromHoME 2, see also IV

[24] OF THE VOYAGE OF EARENDILAND THE WAR OF WRATH
================================================== ================

Volume III
being the Appendices to the Quenta Silmarillion and the Tales of the Second and Third Ages.

[not yet in order]

* LAWS AND CUSTOMS AMONG THE ELDAR

*FINROD AND AND ANDRETH [ATHRABETH]

*QUENDI AND ELDAR w/ the Osanwe - Kenta /[?]LHAMMAS

*TALE OF YEARS/ANNALS OF THE 1ST AGE [?]

*ETYMOLOGIES [revised]/ ELVISH DICTIONARY Quenya and
Sindarin

The tales of the Second and Third ages will hopefully appear on the next version.
</center>
++++++====================================
+++This outline does not as yet reflect the group consensus
on all
points [or on very many] it is primarily the opinions of lindil
who
loves lists and such.

+++ I have endeavored to include such decisions as the group
has
made [esp. in following the X versions of chapters and
subchapters
for the Early Silmarillion.

+++Even where not specifically mentioned it is assumed that
All
relevant Annals abd versions of the Quenta Silmarillion of
IV,V,X,
and XI will be consulted.

+++I have begun [but not completed using the abbreviations
used
in
the thread of the same name-so check there for resolution to
any
obscurities.

++++ [chapters listed from 1977 Silmarillion { aka. "77}" are
brackeeted]"and in time the 77 chapters will be replaced by an
entirely new system based on the final revisions of Morgoth's
Ring
and War of the Jewels.

++++ all of the chapters not listed would still need to be
compared
w/
the many versions in the History series.

++++ Below however I list the major texts [or parts ] which I
think[at this point at least] can [ or should] be inserted in
whole or
part into the
respective chapters.

++++This is by no means an exhaustive listing ,just a
framework to
hang further ideas on -or take them off. I am sure there are
alot of
things I havn't caught yet so... Please feel free to monkey
around
w/ it and put up a new one.

++++ This not an outline that takes the more radical far
reaching
ideas of Myth's transformed into account . The thread of that
name
covers some issues ,

Perhaps an outline similar to this w/explanations of the
changes
involved in a MT versionof each chapter will appear at some
point in
the future.

==================================
Comments on the outline, possible revisions and omissions
from
the 'additions ' are of course most welcome.

Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on a new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000076>lindil</A> at: 3/27/01 1:24:20 pm

03-27-2001, 10:58 AM	#55
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,681	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 531</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> 5.4b Outline A Few preliminary Notes removed to after the outline. here is Lindil's 'OLD STYLE' SILMARILLION outline as it stands now: ================================ <center> *<u> TRANSLATIONS FROM THE ELVISH vol. I-III</u>* === Volume I being the Tales of the Creation and the coming of the Eldar and rebellion of the Noldor in Valinor: AINULINDALE/VALAQUNTA ----------- QUENTA SILMARILLION pt1 bethe base texts for which are the Annals of Aman and the LQ2 of Morgoth's Ring X ****** 1 Of VALINOR AND THE TWO TREES /OF THE BEGINING DAYS 2 OF AULE AND YAVANNA 3 OF THE COMING OF THE ELVES .. add parts of 'Quendi andEldar' re : the '144' [XI] 4 OF THINGOL AND MELIAN 5 OF ELDAMAR AND THE PRINCES OFTHE ELDALIE add from the Shibboleth of Feanor [XII] 6 {OF THE SILMARILS}THE DARKENING OF VALINOR [the subchapter division is from X] 6a + FINWE AND MIRIEL [w/possible selections from Laws&Customs...' [HoME X]add from the Shibboleth of Feanor [XII] 6b +OF FEANOR AND THE UNCHAINING OF ME 6c + OF THE SILMARILS AND THE UNREST OF THE NOLDOR add from'Shibboleth of Feanor' ?[HoME 12] 6d + OF THE DARKENING OF VALINOR add from [HoME 1] of the festival of valinor 6e +OF THE RAPE OF THE SILMARILLS 6f +OF THE THIEVES ' QUARREL 7 OF THE FLIGHT OF THE NOLDOR add from'Shibboleth of Feanor'[HoMEXII] 8 OF THE SUN ANDTHE MOON AND THE HIDING OF VALINOR [ additions from Lost tales I ?] This is more problematic than many proposed additions as the nature of the details seems to have gone far afeild from the later conceptions. ================================================== ================================================== = Volume II QUENTA SILMARILLION ptII being the Tales of Middle-Earth of the End of the First Age these are drawn, up until the 15th chapter primarily from the War of the Jewels, after that it is an amalgam from The Book of Lost talesII, The Shaping of Middle-Earth, The Lost Road, The war of the Jewels, Unfinished Tales and , The 1977 Silmarillion . 9 OF MEN I am not at all sure of the way to deal w/ the later conceptions of Chronology. Any ideas? 10 OF THE SIEGE OF ANGBAND 11 OF BELERIAND AND IT'S REALMS /[XV] OF THE NOLDOR IN BELERIAND add from 'Shibboleth of Feanor' [HoME 12] 12 OF TURGON AND THE BUILDING OF GONDOLIN coupled w/ [16] OF MAEGLIN add from 'maeglin' in HoMEXI [possibly switch the order of Chapters w/ Of the Dwarves to reflect Eol's prior contact] 13 CONCERNING THE DWARVES add from ' On Dwarves and Men' [HoME 12] 14 OF THE COMING OF MENINTO THE WEST add from Finrod and Andreth{HoME10} and from On Dwarves and Men [HoME 12] Add Faithful Stone ' from UT 15 OF THE RUIN OF BELERIAND AND THE FALL OF FINGOLFIN 16 ?- BEREN AND LUTHIEN add from LaysIII [ here the chapters have to re be renumbered ] [2O] OF THE FIFTH BATTLE:NIRNAETH ARNOEDIAD insert the section from the Narn of Hurin's farewell in Dor Lomin [21] OF TURIN TURAMBAR &'THE WANDERINGS OF HURIN' add the 'Narn I Chin Hurin' [U T} II -V and XI [22] OF THE RUIN OF DORIATH add from II,IV,V [and later sketches of Hurin?] or use CRT's chapter from the 77. [23] OF TOUR AND THE FALL OF GONDOLIN add of 'Of Tour and his coming to Gondolin [UT]and details of the battle of the city fromHoME 2, see also IV [24] OF THE VOYAGE OF EARENDILAND THE WAR OF WRATH ================================================== ================ Volume III being the Appendices to the Quenta Silmarillion and the Tales of the Second and Third Ages. [not yet in order] * LAWS AND CUSTOMS AMONG THE ELDAR FINROD AND AND ANDRETH [ATHRABETH] QUENDI AND ELDAR w/ the Osanwe - Kenta /[?]LHAMMAS TALE OF YEARS/ANNALS OF THE 1ST AGE [?] ETYMOLOGIES [revised]/ ELVISH DICTIONARY Quenya and Sindarin The tales of the Second and Third ages will hopefully appear on the next version. </center> ++++++==================================== +++This outline does not as yet reflect the group consensus on all points [or on very many] it is primarily the opinions of lindil who loves lists and such. +++ I have endeavored to include such decisions as the group has made [esp. in following the X versions of chapters and subchapters for the Early Silmarillion. +++Even where not specifically mentioned it is assumed that All relevant Annals abd versions of the Quenta Silmarillion of IV,V,X, and XI will be consulted. +++I have begun [but not completed using the abbreviations used in the thread of the same name-so check there for resolution to any obscurities. ++++ [chapters listed from 1977 Silmarillion { aka. "77}" are brackeeted]"and in time the 77 chapters will be replaced by an entirely new system based on the final revisions of Morgoth's Ring and War of the Jewels. ++++ all of the chapters not listed would still need to be compared w/ the many versions in the History series. ++++ Below however I list the major texts [or parts ] which I think[at this point at least] can [ or should] be inserted in whole or part into the respective chapters. ++++This is by no means an exhaustive listing ,just a framework to hang further ideas on -or take them off. I am sure there are alot of things I havn't caught yet so... Please feel free to monkey around w/ it and put up a new one. ++++ This not an outline that takes the more radical far reaching ideas of Myth's transformed into account . The thread of that name covers some issues , Perhaps an outline similar to this w/explanations of the changes involved in a MT versionof each chapter will appear at some point in the future. ================================== Comments on the outline, possible revisions and omissions from the 'additions ' are of course most welcome. Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on a new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000076>lindil</A> at: 3/27/01 1:24:20 pm __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.