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**lindil** · 03-04-2001, 08:16 AM

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again ?

GtW:"My idea of the project has always been to stick the various scattered
bits of writing spread over many books into one."
L: exactly - but according to coherent and logical and aestheic principles, not , "I like this and I like that..."
In brief the principles this was founded on are
1> discern and use final intent of JRRT as a base when this will not disrupt the whole legendarium [ i.e. MT - which would get seperate draft treatment due to this fact].
a) so for the Silm this means by default we use the X & XI versions of the stories as the base , whenever possible and then...
b) use the details that 1} are not likely to have been deleted by JRRT himself 2} prb. would have been incorporated [an example is the 144 original elves in the final version of the awakening by cuivenen]
3} use only details that are non-conflicting [ such as came up in w/ the noldo whom Morgoth killed in V or IV ithink].

Now that is how I interpret things. But in all frankness, you and I are the only ones at this{ M and Dhave been silent re: this debate and other things, I say this not to shame them , as I am sure that they are as busy and involved in the site as a whole, and other more essential aspects of life and devote as much time to this as they can} for the time being - and I am not going to tell you to write this or re-write that. I will just point out the principles we started with and try and explain why I think they are still valid and in most cases essential.
Especially if as you say <blockquote>Quote:<hr> " Maybe, if, in a few years (or decades) we can finish this canon, then
I think we couild publish it with CRT's permission. <hr></blockquote>
As far fetched as that might seem and be, I would like to see this work progress in such a way that CRT would look at it and say ,"Those boys they did a crack up job, why not put it out?"

GtW:" Use of a touch of creative writing will be unavoidable."
At this stage I disagree - I had to resort to some twisting and turning to follow the guidelines of my section as re: the inclusionof the procession of the Noldor and Vanyar's to the feast, but I was able to do it in a satisfactory way [I think].

In the baldest terms -Keeping to JRRT's words exsclusively [for this version at least] will be the only thing that gives this project a chance at being anything more than an underground curiousity. Not that grand schemes such as my last post are my ultimate goal - they are not , but they are possible by by-products if you will from going about this in a way that can generate respect for our handling of the Silm.
GtW:" Many of us will be
greybeards by then, I suppose , but we should show this work to
someone."

LOL prob true .
but if we want CRT to see it we better hurry up - he is no spring chicken by any accounts.
As the project has all but floundered for the time [w/ Durelen understandably focused on College - you would be too if you lived in W.Va <img src=wink.gif ALT="

"> ] and Mithadan up to his neck in work,family, the new B'downs projects and Tales from TolErresea - it seems like you and I are it for the time being so I will throw out an idea I have been kicking around for a while in my head.This would be in the manner of submitting a novel or any book for publication.

Let's create a folio to send to CRT of the following:
[feel free if the idea gets you G. to suggest modifications]
1 A detailed outline [such as the one I update periodically but fleshed out in a serious way - I will actually try and start on this soon].

2 an outline of our working procedures

3 Drafts of : The Ainulindale, Valaquenta [?],DoV[w/ all sub-chapters], the Hurin /Turin saga , 'Of Tuor and his coming to/the Fall of Gondolin', the Ruinof Doriath.

these are some of the hardest bits and if we do them right we will [ I think ] have made as good a case as possible, and if against the odds we get a green light , we could I imagine gather quite a collection of folks to aid in the rest of it.

well there you have it. more grandiose ideas to rest upon our tiny foundation.<img src=smile.gif ALT="

">

lindil

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03-04-2001, 08:16 AM	#48
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,681	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 436</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> again ? GtW:"My idea of the project has always been to stick the various scattered bits of writing spread over many books into one." L: exactly - but according to coherent and logical and aestheic principles, not , "I like this and I like that..." In brief the principles this was founded on are 1> discern and use final intent of JRRT as a base when this will not disrupt the whole legendarium [ i.e. MT - which would get seperate draft treatment due to this fact]. a) so for the Silm this means by default we use the X & XI versions of the stories as the base , whenever possible and then... b) use the details that 1} are not likely to have been deleted by JRRT himself 2} prb. would have been incorporated [an example is the 144 original elves in the final version of the awakening by cuivenen] 3} use only details that are non-conflicting [ such as came up in w/ the noldo whom Morgoth killed in V or IV ithink]. Now that is how I interpret things. But in all frankness, you and I are the only ones at this{ M and Dhave been silent re: this debate and other things, I say this not to shame them , as I am sure that they are as busy and involved in the site as a whole, and other more essential aspects of life and devote as much time to this as they can} for the time being - and I am not going to tell you to write this or re-write that. I will just point out the principles we started with and try and explain why I think they are still valid and in most cases essential. Especially if as you say <blockquote>*Quote:*<hr> " Maybe, if, in a few years (or decades) we can finish this canon, then I think we couild publish it with CRT's permission. <hr></blockquote> As far fetched as that might seem and be, I would like to see this work progress in such a way that CRT would look at it and say ,"Those boys they did a crack up job, why not put it out?" GtW:" Use of a touch of creative writing will be unavoidable." At this stage I disagree - I had to resort to some twisting and turning to follow the guidelines of my section as re: the inclusionof the procession of the Noldor and Vanyar's to the feast, but I was able to do it in a satisfactory way [I think]. In the baldest terms -Keeping to JRRT's words exsclusively [for this version at least] will be the only thing that gives this project a chance at being anything more than an underground curiousity. Not that grand schemes such as my last post are my ultimate goal - they are not , but they are possible by by-products if you will from going about this in a way that can generate respect for our handling of the Silm. GtW:" Many of us will be greybeards by then, I suppose , but we should show this work to someone." LOL prob true . but if we want CRT to see it we better hurry up - he is no spring chicken by any accounts. As the project has all but floundered for the time [w/ Durelen understandably focused on College - you would be too if you lived in W.Va <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> ] and Mithadan up to his neck in work,family, the new B'downs projects and Tales from TolErresea - it seems like you and I are it for the time being so I will throw out an idea I have been kicking around for a while in my head.This would be in the manner of submitting a novel or any book for publication. Let's create a folio to send to CRT of the following: [feel free if the idea gets you G. to suggest modifications] 1 A detailed outline [such as the one I update periodically but fleshed out in a serious way - I will actually try and start on this soon]. 2 an outline of our working procedures 3 Drafts of : The Ainulindale, Valaquenta [?],DoV[w/ all sub-chapters], the Hurin /Turin saga , 'Of Tuor and his coming to/the Fall of Gondolin', the Ruinof Doriath. these are some of the hardest bits and if we do them right we will [ I think ] have made as good a case as possible, and if against the odds we get a green light , we could I imagine gather quite a collection of folks to aid in the rest of it. well there you have it. more grandiose ideas to rest upon our tiny foundation.<img src=smile.gif ALT=""> lindil </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.