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**lindil** · 03-31-2001, 10:24 AM

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The Sindarization of an Avari was probably much more than a change of names, it would I imagine have involved a more reverential view and history of the Valar,[ the sindarin culture being moulded in great respect by Melian, I am supposing] and seen the March as a good thing.

There would be a variety of rituals for which the blessing of the Valar would be invoked and these would be entirely absent I would guess among the Avari.Maybe they called upon Eru directly? Feeling [especially after tales of the Noldor's rebellion had filtered to them from the Sindar] that direct appeal to Eru was purer and as the Valar had indeed [from and Avairn point of view] made a mistake in summoning the elves. It would be like marrying into a different family and culture.

I recall [Q&E?UT? ] some mention being made of Dorwinion wine making it to Beleriand in the 1 st age.

Were the elves there Avari or Nandor who did not even make it to the Misty mountains/Anduin ?
Or was the Sea of Rhun the latter name for the 'waters of awakening'/cuivenen [sp?] and those who stayed where really Avari?

I wonder then if this was the reason for Legolas' reference in Lothlorien that there was a virtual communication breakdown [I should say lack of earthly contact - as I can not say there was no Osanwe ] between Thranduil's realm and Lothlorien.
That the Dorwinion Elves were at extreme philosophical odds with the Elves in Lothlorien who had excepted a Noldorin Ruler and demanded that the Mirkwood elves take sides of some sort. There is I think in UT some mention of the Mirkwood elves wanting to return to a sylvan elf way of life, as opposed to a 'Sindarized/Eldarin ' way I guess.

This was originally a continuation of the reincarnation thread extracted to here.

Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on a new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>

03-31-2001, 10:24 AM	#1
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,681	Avari vs.Eldar <font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 560</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> The Sindarization of an Avari was probably much more than a change of names, it would I imagine have involved a more reverential view and history of the Valar,[ the sindarin culture being moulded in great respect by Melian, I am supposing] and seen the March as a good thing. There would be a variety of rituals for which the blessing of the Valar would be invoked and these would be entirely absent I would guess among the Avari.Maybe they called upon Eru directly? Feeling [especially after tales of the Noldor's rebellion had filtered to them from the Sindar] that direct appeal to Eru was purer and as the Valar had indeed [from and Avairn point of view] made a mistake in summoning the elves. It would be like marrying into a different family and culture. I recall [Q&E?UT? ] some mention being made of Dorwinion wine making it to Beleriand in the 1 st age. Were the elves there Avari or Nandor who did not even make it to the Misty mountains/Anduin ? Or was the Sea of Rhun the latter name for the 'waters of awakening'/cuivenen [sp?] and those who stayed where really Avari? I wonder then if this was the reason for Legolas' reference in Lothlorien that there was a virtual communication breakdown [I should say lack of earthly contact - as I can not say there was no Osanwe ] between Thranduil's realm and Lothlorien. That the Dorwinion Elves were at extreme philosophical odds with the Elves in Lothlorien who had excepted a Noldorin Ruler and demanded that the Mirkwood elves take sides of some sort. There is I think in UT some mention of the Mirkwood elves wanting to return to a sylvan elf way of life, as opposed to a 'Sindarized/Eldarin ' way I guess. This was originally a continuation of the reincarnation thread extracted to here. Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on a new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.