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mark12_30 · 12-20-2002, 11:28 AM

Hi Gilbo, I agree with many of your points, but I'd like to address a few. Arwen and Galadriel were simply practicing the form of communication called Osanwe, which is ipure Tolkien. There is a great thread about it in the books forum; go here:<A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000492" TARGET=_blank> osanwe.</A>And also, I do not think Arwen has sailed. She may have begun the journey, but I can't imagine her completing it.The other thing that's been niggling at me is, I'm trying to remember when Aragorn's friends, the rangers from the north, show up; Halbarad and company. I never saw them yet in PJ's work; so I'm wondering whether PJ is substituting Haldir and elves for Halbarad and Rangers. Sort of like he substituted Arwen for Glorfindel. I don't have to like it, but it begins to make just a little bit of sense from a movie point of view. Especially since he doesn't have the time to talk about the conflicts up by Erebor and Long Lake and Dale, which Tolkien does use to explain why the elves and dwarves were kept busy elsewhere.On the whole, though, even though I'll give the film a 95%, I agree with many of your points.[ December 20, 2002: Message edited by: mark12_30 ]

12-20-2002, 11:28 AM	#95
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,367	Hi Gilbo, <P>I agree with many of your points, but I'd like to address a few. Arwen and Galadriel were simply practicing the form of communication called Osanwe, which is ipure Tolkien. There is a great thread about it in the books forum; go here:<A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000492" TARGET=_blank> osanwe.</A><P>And also, I do not think Arwen has sailed. She may have begun the journey, but I can't imagine her completing it.<P>The other thing that's been niggling at me is, I'm trying to remember when Aragorn's friends, the rangers from the north, show up; Halbarad and company. I never saw them yet in PJ's work; so I'm wondering whether PJ is substituting Haldir and elves for Halbarad and Rangers. Sort of like he substituted Arwen for Glorfindel. I don't have to like it, but it begins to make just a little bit of sense from a movie point of view. Especially since he doesn't have the time to talk about the conflicts up by Erebor and Long Lake and Dale, which Tolkien does use to explain why the elves and dwarves were kept busy elsewhere.<P>On the whole, though, even though I'll give the film a 95%, I agree with many of your points.<p>[ December 20, 2002: Message edited by: mark12_30 ] __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.