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**lindil** · 04-14-2001, 11:55 AM

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Aiwedil , you are right on re: RGEO , I loaned my copt ouy and have forgotten it's exact details.

Aiwendil posted"Regarding Celebrimbor, Gil-Galad, and the High Kingship: I think that Celebrimbor's rejection of Curufin as a father is good enough grounds for his not getting the Kingship. The real question, then, is why didn't it go to Idril, and then to Elrond? I still think that the statement about Neri and Nissi being equal rules out a purely male-descent for Elven kingships and such. Personally, I prefer Gil-Galad as the son of Fingon, but Tolkien's latest ideas here are very clear, and I don't think it's impossible to reconcile them with the rest of the Silm. "

Lindil replies:Celebrimbor [as son of Curufin]was a no go for king because the house of Feanor had become dispossesed- they lost the heirship and the Silmarills. Not to mention that the if the majority of the Endorian Noldor would not follow him [moderate son of Feanor that he was] they would certainly have nothing to do w/ their house after the slayings in Doriath and the Havens of Sirion. I would imagine it was mostly Feanorians who went to Eregion , they probably were rather unwelcome [ w/out a sincere and deep repentance] among the other Noldor, and so founded their own community under Celebrimbor.Galadriels sojourn their may be part of Thranduil's dislike [mentioned in UT] as he was a Doriathrim [or son of].

Re: Female High Queens, it never happened. I would surmise that it was partly cultural and partly circumstance [leading wars and such as Tar Elenion mentioned [I think].Galdriel could possibly have been an exception but by the time Gil-Galad died there were prob. to few Noldor to have a High_king, thus Elrond and Galadriel made no prretenious claims , but went about their business, and acted somewhat in a conciliar fashion .

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04-14-2001, 11:55 AM	#18
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,681	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 596</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> road goes ever on Aiwedil , you are right on re: RGEO , I loaned my copt ouy and have forgotten it's exact details. Aiwendil posted"Regarding Celebrimbor, Gil-Galad, and the High Kingship: I think that Celebrimbor's rejection of Curufin as a father is good enough grounds for his not getting the Kingship. The real question, then, is why didn't it go to Idril, and then to Elrond? I still think that the statement about Neri and Nissi being equal rules out a purely male-descent for Elven kingships and such. Personally, I prefer Gil-Galad as the son of Fingon, but Tolkien's latest ideas here are very clear, and I don't think it's impossible to reconcile them with the rest of the Silm. " Lindil replies:Celebrimbor [as son of Curufin]was a no go for king because the house of Feanor had become dispossesed- they lost the heirship and the Silmarills. Not to mention that the if the majority of the Endorian Noldor would not follow him [moderate son of Feanor that he was] they would certainly have nothing to do w/ their house after the slayings in Doriath and the Havens of Sirion. I would imagine it was mostly Feanorians who went to Eregion , they probably were rather unwelcome [ w/out a sincere and deep repentance] among the other Noldor, and so founded their own community under Celebrimbor.Galadriels sojourn their may be part of Thranduil's dislike [mentioned in UT] as he was a Doriathrim [or son of]. Re: Female High Queens, it never happened. I would surmise that it was partly cultural and partly circumstance [leading wars and such as Tar Elenion mentioned [I think].Galdriel could possibly have been an exception but by the time Gil-Galad died there were prob. to few Noldor to have a High_king, thus Elrond and Galadriel made no prretenious claims , but went about their business, and acted somewhat in a conciliar fashion . </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.