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Aiwendil · 03-05-2009, 03:56 PM

This does seem to be a bit of a grey area. There are two related points against accepting the late use of 'Pengoloð' in 'Cirdan':

1. Tolkien's note proposing a change to 'Thingodhel'.
2. The statement in Q&E that 'golodh' was not used among the Noldor or those most friendly to them.

If it were a matter of point 1 alone, I would say that the appearance of 'Pengoloð' in 'Cirdan' pretty clearly takes precedence. But point 2 makes this much more doubtful.

It's perhaps worth noting that in the text of Q&E itself, Tolkien uses 'Pengolodh' several times without appearing to worry about a contradiction with his statement (in the very same text) about the non-use of 'golodh'. On the other hand, in all likelihood the change to 'Thingodhel' arose when he noticed this contradiction.

03-05-2009, 03:56 PM	#7
Aiwendil Late Istar Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,224	This does seem to be a bit of a grey area. There are two related points against accepting the late use of 'Pengoloð' in 'Cirdan': 1. Tolkien's note proposing a change to 'Thingodhel'. 2. The statement in Q&E that 'golodh' was not used among the Noldor or those most friendly to them. If it were a matter of point 1 alone, I would say that the appearance of 'Pengoloð' in 'Cirdan' pretty clearly takes precedence. But point 2 makes this much more doubtful. It's perhaps worth noting that in the text of Q&E itself, Tolkien uses 'Pengolodh' several times without appearing to worry about a contradiction with his statement (in the very same text) about the non-use of 'golodh'. On the other hand, in all likelihood the change to 'Thingodhel' arose when he noticed this contradiction.