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Re: Orcish Fear
First: an actual ANALYSIS of the passage in question is in order.
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Quote:<hr> J.R.R. Tolkien THE TWO TOWERS
'There's no grief in that; but think- there's someone loose hereabouts as is more dangerous than any other damned rebel that ever walked since the bad old times, since the Great Siege.'<hr></blockquote>
Now this does NOT state that Gorbag or Shagrat were PRESENT for this event. That has been an ASSUMPTION that has been carried onward through mass misinterpretation for some time now.
How this happened is with this earlier passage (not connected to this statement of Great Siege at all):
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Quote:<hr> J.R.R. Tolkien THE TWO TOWERS
'What d'you say?- if we get a chance, you and me'll slip off and set up somewhere on our own with a few trusty lads, somewhere where there's good loot, nice and handy, and no big bosses.'
'Ah!' said Shagrat. 'Like old times.'<hr></blockquote>
Your post illustrates this mass misconception by your statement of:
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Quote:<hr> Posted by HerenIstarion
'what do we do than to Shagrat and Gorbag recalling "good old days" of a siege?'<hr></blockquote>
The compression of ideas is done by others, not textual.
The siege statement is regarding spies in Mordor, with a different statement concerning the former lives of these two orcs before Sauron came back to Mordor to lord them over.
There is no need or reason to introduce either an non-existant elvish strain OR a really dumb maiar strain here at all.
There is no circular argument by text; only from misreading of such.
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