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Old 10-23-2017, 10:49 PM   #29
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BD-12: It seems we a situation of turned tabels. Both of you agree to skip that passage about the reckoning of time but now I have made some caacluclations and might be willing to include it incooperating the 144 YS = 1VY:
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§29 BD-11b Thus began the Days of the Bliss of Valinor, and thus began also the count of Time. For the Trees waxed to full bloom and light, and waned again, unceasingly, without change of speed or fullness. Telperion came first to flower, and a little ere he ceased to shine Laurelin began to bud; and again ere Laurelin had grown dim Telperion awoke once more. Therefore the Valar took the time of the flowering, first of Telperion and then of Laurelin, to be for them a Day in Valinor; and the time when each Tree was flowering alone they divided into five hours, each equal to the time of the mingling of their lights, twice in each Day. <LQ {In seven hours the glory of each tree waxed to full and waned again to naught; and each awoke once more to life an hour before the other ceased to shine.} Thus in Valinor twice every day there came a gentle hour of softer light when both Trees were faint and their gold and silver beams were mingled. Telperion was the elder of the Trees and came first to full stature and to bloom; and that first hour in which he shone alone, the white glimmer of a silver dawn, the {gods}[Valar] reckoned not into the tale of hours, but named it the Opening Hour, and counted therefrom the ages of their reign in Valinor. Therefore at the sixth hour of the First Day, and of all the joyous days thereafter until the Darkening, Telperion ceased his time of flower; and at the twelfth hour Laurelin her blossoming. And each day of the {gods}[Valar] in Aman contained twelve hours, and ended with the second mingling of the lights, in which Laurelin was waning but Telperion was waxing.> BD-12 <AAm
Of the {Beginning of Time and its }Reckoning of Time[/i]
§5 Time indeed began with the beginning of Eä, and in that beginning the Valar came into the World. But the measurement which the Valar made of the ages of their labours is not known to any of the Children of Ilúvatar, until the first flowering of Telperion in Valinor. Thereafter the Valar counted time by the ages of Valinor, whereof each age contained one hundred of the Years of the Valar; but each such year was BD-12.1{longer than are nine}[nearly as long as one hundred and forty and four] years under the Sun.
§6 Now measured by the flowering of the Trees there were twelve hours in each Day of the Valar, and BD-12.2{one}[fifteen] thousand of such days the Valar took to be a year in their realm{.}>BD-11.5{There were thus twelve such hours in every Day of the Valar; and one thousand of those Days was held to be a Year}, for then the Trees would put forth a new branch and their stature would increase. BD-12.2 <AAm It is supposed indeed by the Lore-masters that the Valar so devised the hours of the Trees that one hundred of such years so measured should be in duration as one age of the Valar (as those ages were in the days of their labours before the foundation of Valinor). Nonetheless this is not certainly known.
§7 But as for the Years of the Trees and those that came after, one such Year was BD-12.3{longer than nine}[a bit less than one hundred and forty and four] such years as now are. For there were in each such Year BD-12.4{twelve}[one hundred and eighty] thousand hours. Yet the hours of the Trees were each seven times as long as is one hour of a full-day upon Middle-earth from sun-rise to sun-rise, when light and dark are equally divided. Therefore each Day of the Valar endured for four and eighty of our hours, and each Year for BD-12.5{four and eighty}[one million and two hundred thousand and sixty] thousand: which is as much as BD-12.55{three}[fifty-two] thousand and five hundred of our days, and is somewhat BD-12.6{more}[less] than are BD-12.65{nine and one half}[one hundred and forty and three and three quarters] of our years (BD-12.67{nine and one half and eight hundredths and yet a little}[one hundred and forty and three and seven tenths and a little less than four hundredths]).
§8 It is recorded by the Lore-masters that this is not rightly as the Valar designed at the making and ordering of the Moon and Sun. For it was their intention that ten years of the Sun, no more and no less, should be in length as one Year of the Trees had been; and it was their first device that each year of the Sun should contain seven hundred times of sunlight and moonlight, and each of these times should contain twelve hours, each in duration one seventh of an hour of the Trees. By that reckoning each Sun-year would contain three hundred and fifty full days of divided moonlight and sunlight, that is eight thousand and four hundred hours, equalling twelve hundred hours of the Trees, or BD-12.7{one tenth}[the one hundred and fiftieth part] of a Valian Year. But the Moon and Sun proved more wayward and slower in their passage than the Valar had intended, as is hereafter told, and a year of the Sun is somewhat longer than was BD-12.75{one tenth}[the one hundred and fiftieth part] of a Year in the Days of the Trees.
§9 The shorter year of the Sun was so made because of the greater speed of all growth, and likewise or all change and withering, that the Valar knew should come to pass after the death of the Trees. And after that evil had befallen the Valar reckoned time in Arda by the years of the Sun, and do so still, even after the Change of the World and the hiding of Aman; but BD-12.8{ten}[one hundred and forty and four] years of the Sun they account now as but one year, and one thousand but as a century. This is drawn from the Yénonótië of Quennar BD-12.85 : quoth {Pengoloð}[Pengolodh].
§10 It is computed by the lore-masters that the Valar came to the realm of Arda, which is the Earth, five thousand Valian Years ere the first rising of the Moon, which is as much as to say BD-12.9{forty-seven thousands and nine hundred and one}[five-hundred-and-three thousands and ninety] of our years. Of these, three thousand and five hundred (or thirty-three thousand five hundred and thirty of our reckoning) passed ere the measurement of time first known to the Eldar began with the flowering of the Trees. Those were the Days before days. Thereafter one thousand and four hundred and five and ninety Valian Years (or BD-12.95{fourteen thousand of our years and three hundred and twenty-two}[two-hundred-and-fourteen thousand and nine hundred and six and a quarter]) followed during which the Light of the Trees shone in Valinor. Those were the Days of Bliss.>
BD-13<Ainulindale D{Thus it was that the Earth lay darkling again, save only inValinor,}But as the ages drew on to the hour appointed by Ilúvatar for the coming of the Firstborn. ...
LT Descriptions of Valars’ Dwellings: An other question beside the MT-material: Aiwendil posted:
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... I place them much later, incorporating them into the passage in AAm that describes (in far less detail) the places where some of the Valar dwell.
Could you guide me to that AAm passage? I can't identify it in your draft nor in th original AAm text. In your draft the LT descriptions are mixed with passages from Ainulindalë D. But that wouldn't suggest such a late placement.

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