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**lindil** · 03-30-2001, 01:19 AM

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Re: a refreshing of the thread

I just read HoMEIV 'the Quenta ' section 14.
It is altogether inferior to CRT's 'Ruin of Doriath' but could by and large be used.
My memory of II is that it's version of RoD [the Naul=glamir] is so severely different that only a few bits here and there might be usable.

I understand reluctance to use CRT's 77, for it is clearly creative writing. But there are 2 major differences.
1]If I am not mistaken CRT was given permission by his father to do what was needed to publish the Silm.
2] for nearly a quarter of a century CRT's 'RoD' has stood as 'the version' to all but the most fanatical of us. It was unquestioned canon to many of us till war of the Jewels finally came out and we really see that the ending chapters are a mess when not entirely absent and we haveto go back to IV to see the last writings of JRRT on the end of the first age [ w/ the sole exception of Lost Roads war f wrath section.
Despite his misgivings CRT's RoD is far better than any thing we can hope to cobble together w/ out creative writing [and better than I anything I could w/ it<img src=wink.gif ALT="

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His manner of handling Thingol's death makes far more sense [in regards to the girdle of Melian] and is simply a more mature harmonious conception [imo] than having him killed in the woods.

as to what to do w/ the end notes to Wandering of Hurin, I have not given it thought.
the text available that mentions the outlaws slowly dying off on the road back is very thin and wil not mesh w/ Wanderings . I suggest w/ out a close look at this specifically to eliminate WoH as far back as needed to avoid a band forming after Brethil , keep the 77 version of Hurin in Nargothrond and Doriath. Thingol and Melian still convey a sense of immediacy after the details we get in the Narn [during Turin's fostering].

So while 77 is a strange choice in terms of purity, the other alternatives are seriously worse.
Andfrankly I think the editorializing here and there in the Sil is so pervasive that that it can not be entirely rooted out completely anyway and will have to relied on at least a bit to make [almost ] any Silm work

Other thoughts ?

Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on a new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>

03-30-2001, 01:19 AM	#34
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,681	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 553</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: a refreshing of the thread I just read HoMEIV 'the Quenta ' section 14. It is altogether inferior to CRT's 'Ruin of Doriath' but could by and large be used. My memory of II is that it's version of RoD [the Naul=glamir] is so severely different that only a few bits here and there might be usable. I understand reluctance to use CRT's 77, for it is clearly creative writing. But there are 2 major differences. 1]If I am not mistaken CRT was given permission by his father to do what was needed to publish the Silm. 2] for nearly a quarter of a century CRT's 'RoD' has stood as 'the version' to all but the most fanatical of us. It was unquestioned canon to many of us till war of the Jewels finally came out and we really see that the ending chapters are a mess when not entirely absent and we haveto go back to IV to see the last writings of JRRT on the end of the first age [ w/ the sole exception of Lost Roads war f wrath section. Despite his misgivings CRT's RoD is far better than any thing we can hope to cobble together w/ out creative writing [and better than I anything I could w/ it<img src=wink.gif ALT=""> ] His manner of handling Thingol's death makes far more sense [in regards to the girdle of Melian] and is simply a more mature harmonious conception [imo] than having him killed in the woods. as to what to do w/ the end notes to Wandering of Hurin, I have not given it thought. the text available that mentions the outlaws slowly dying off on the road back is very thin and wil not mesh w/ Wanderings . I suggest w/ out a close look at this specifically to eliminate WoH as far back as needed to avoid a band forming after Brethil , keep the 77 version of Hurin in Nargothrond and Doriath. Thingol and Melian still convey a sense of immediacy after the details we get in the Narn [during Turin's fostering]. So while 77 is a strange choice in terms of purity, the other alternatives are seriously worse. Andfrankly I think the editorializing here and there in the Sil is so pervasive that that it can not be entirely rooted out completely anyway and will have to relied on at least a bit to make [almost ] any Silm work Other thoughts ? Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on a new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.