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Old 05-22-2018, 07:01 PM   #23
Morthoron
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Unfortunately you are blinded by your own fierce desire to be 'right'. It appears you're losing sight of reality. If another person on the forum can see: “The fact that 'thirty pieces of silver' is such an*obvious*source for the 30 silver pennies” - how are you utterly unable to?
Ironic. You come here ONLY to disembogue Priya'a prattle and then defend each post like they're Gospel -- as if all other explanations for your ipecacic epistolaries are exclusionary. As if....you, yourself, are the author. More on your evident duality later.

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Now the first statement below is true, but once again you conveniently ignore Tolkien's desire to subtly include Christian elements in the tale.

"There is no reference to the allegory in Tolkien's letters, and no sense of him needing the allegory to make a plot point in the first place."


The following is just hot air. You can't prove what you've written:

"There is no need for editing when there is no applicability. And it is not applicable. Nor is it symbolic."
No reference. Ever. Which brings us to your next statement:

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Apply an identical symbolism test to 'Lembas' and see if you would come to the same conclusion based just on knowledge from TLotR text. After you come up emptyhanded – then perhaps you can explain to us all why Elvish waybread had no religious connotations for the tale!
There is a basis for Lembas = Viaticum because Tolkien directly references it. He stated readers “saw in waybread (lembas)= viaticum* and the reference to its feeding the will (vol. III, p. 213) and being more potent when fasting, a derivation from the Eucharist,” (Letter 213 to Deborah Webster); therefore, it is not merely yet another bit of clickbait for your half-baked articles. Oh, excuse me, not your articles, Priya Seth's articles. You are only the messenger of the Divine One, come to spread the unimpeachable Word to the heathen and backward Tolkien forums spread across the Internet. There is only one Seth and Balfrog is her prophet.

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"Certainly, if that was the case, and it was something he inserted to prove a point, then "pennies" is not the medium for the allusion."

Please expand on this. I am interested in why pennies are not coins Tolkien would have used if alluding to the Gospel story in question. Please let us all know – what coinage is more appropriate!
The biblical quote is "thirty pieces of silver", not "30 silver pennies". Modern biblical translations that reduced the amount of biblical archaisms and inserted more contemporary verbiage in its place may opt for "thirty silver coins", but then Tolkien would not have desired, nor were there many "modern" translations of the bible handy during his adulthood, and certainly not prior to Vatican II, the Second Vatican Council formed by Pope John XXIII in 1959.

Therefore, "thirty pieces of silver" which would be the correct phrase throughout Tolkien's life, denotes blood money and unholy, abominable betrayal. I just don't see the allusory nature of the purchase of ponies to be equivalent to the betrayal and ultimate crucifixion of Jesus Christ, and I am an atheist.

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PS: Balfrog, people would be much less likely to accuse you of being a sockpuppet of Ms. Seth if you visited the Downs on days other than the days you post new articles from her. Waiting a month for your replies doesn't build a lot of goodwill.
Ah, but that's the crux of the biscuit, or the crux of the cram in this case.

Please, peruse the posting history of Balfrog. He/she/it is spam, only posting the URLs to Seth articles, and only posting thereafter within threads about the articles themselves -- never a separate post to show he/she/it is human, or gives a damn for this forum. If it weren't for the Tolkien angle of each entry, and was instead spamming regarding cut-rate Canadian Viagra(TM) or knock-off Chinese Coach accessories, he/she/it would be banned months ago.

Rather than admitting he/she/it is in fact the author of these Tolkien hit-pieces, he/she/it has instead chosen an alter-ego, an acolyte named Balfrog who will defend her honor without admitting the rabid justifications for each tortured theory and hypocritical hypothesis lies in the fact that defending her own articles would be absurd in extremis. It is much easier to pretend she actually has a fan who posts her articles -- like clockwork and without fail -- rather than deign to admit that she has to shill her own work from site to site.
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