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Old 11-09-2014, 03:20 PM   #12
Galin
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Yes that's exactly what I was talking about, you should in other threads at least tell the other possibility not just when I say otherwise or someone else.
So you think I 'should' always post an interpretation I disagree with and think is strained, and not just in reaction to you or someone else posting another? Actually, when I originally started adding new information to threads that concerned this matter, I'm not sure it had even yet occurred to me that anyone would think these quotations agreed with each other.

In the past I have, with respect to various topics, explained that my interpretation of something is not the only interpretation 'out there'. And I have at times, if not always, actually included counter arguments that I know exist but that I disagree with. That said, when I give my opinion on Balrog wings, for instance, I don't always refer to every counter argument I have ever read on the web.

Do you really see everyone on the web always posting any and all counter arguments about a given matter, simply because they know some other argument (or arguments) exist(s)?

Your opinion about how I 'should' post about this is noted in any case

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But man there are many and much more contradicted things. I don't think we should get stuck in another contradiction when it simply can get match perfectly and while there is no other passage that support that idea.
That opinion arises from your interpretation in the first place ('match perfectly' for example). I don't write the texts: if I see something I think contradicts something else, I'll note it. Maybe.


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I just think that Christopher should have access to that passage since he talked about Eldar height more than once and I talked about Feanor thing to say that what was written there (PME) was probably his latest thoughts.
Well Christopher Tolkien published parts of these 'Hammond and Scull descriptions' in Unfinished Tales actually, just not all of them. And no, there is no indication that the mere publication by Christopher Tolkien, of ODAM, makes ODAM necessarily later that the other description.


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I think I would put more weight in latest writings given by Christopher than Hammond (not that the latter is wrong). Anyway in my interpretation both say the same thing so we can forget about that...
Yet you haven't proven which text is later than the other however. If you can I would love to know myself.

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Agreed It's just that if some of them publish something different and contradictory with the same topic Christopher already published many times that should mean Christopher already have the knowledge and chose to ignore or he didn't know (which isn't likely).
As I guessed you're jumping to conclusions about what this 'means'. Hammond and Scull noted that they and CJRT were reluctant to publish these late notes, in context, while Pauline Baynes was still alive...

... because Tolkien was not happy with these particular illustrations.

CJRT published some of them in UT (without the explanation that they were, in part, Tolkien's reaction to the artwork of P. Baynes). Now there is more from J. Rateliff and Hammond and Scull, with the fuller, external context explained, as the artist has passed on.

But still we don't have all of it published as yet!

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Yeah sometimes you prefer to put more contradiction in a work that already has a lot of them and I must admit that ****es me off sometimes. Although currently I'm kind off accustomed with that.
That's not how I would characterize what I prefer to do

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