Elvish Healing - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Meela · 10-30-2002, 05:54 AM

i dont know how accurate the film is to the book, but in the film i noticed how both Arwen and Elrond, when healing Frodo or whatever, said
"Lasto beth nin. Tolo dan nan galad."

is this the extent of elvish healing - one phrase? or do they do or say other things?

avarrogion · 10-30-2002, 07:01 AM

Well i think thats juz part of the Elvish healing phrase...to tell you the truth i myself was wondeing the same question! So can anyone outhere to clarify this pls?
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Selmo · 10-30-2002, 10:02 AM

I'm just a humble hobbit, not an Elven scholar, so I can't tell you what the phrase means. I'm sure that it isn't a healing spell; the power of the Elves lay within themselves, not in spells and incantations.

Perhaps the phrase was spoken to help the healer to concentrate his/her mind.

arelendil · 10-30-2002, 10:38 AM

Hello! ahhh something i can answer it means "hear my voice, come back to the light!" also used as part of the water spell but changed, "Lasto beth daer" hear the Great word! and i suppose they're just calling frodo from the wraith land or what ever!

Raefindel · 10-31-2002, 11:47 AM

Hmm... Interesting.

When Aragorn was healing Faramir, Eowyn and Merry in the Houses of Healing he also speaks to the injured, so it seems to be a "healer" thing not and "Elven-healer" thing, although, Aragorn was trained by Elrond.

Meela · 10-31-2002, 03:36 PM

Faramir got injured???? *races to his side

Kalimac · 11-01-2002, 12:11 AM

It sounds like they're using a rather early-medieval approach, actually; medicine plus prayers. That happened a quite a bit several thousand years ago; you'd be given, say, larkspur paste or some other herb for what ailed you, and additionally you were told to say three prayers daily (or whichever amount) to a certain deity - or the one deity - who would help you out. They thought it concentrated the feeling, and I can't say as they were wrong [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img].

Guinevere · 11-01-2002, 07:28 AM

Well, in the book things don`t go as fast as in the movie!
On Weathertop, Frodo is not stabbed in the breast, but in his left shoulder,( because he throws himself forward to stab at the Nazgûl`s legs). A splinter of the morgul-knife breaks off and stays in Frodos shoulder. Only after a long, wearisome journey of 17 days(!), his condition slowly deteriorating, he reaches Elronds house.
And Elrond has obviously some skill as a surgeon, for he removes the splinter which was deeply buried and had been working inwards. Anyhow, Arwen had nothing to do with it in the book!

Arwen Imladris · 11-01-2002, 06:38 PM

Here is what he says in the movie:

Quote:

Lasto beth nin. Tolo dan nan galad.

Which means: Hear my voice, come back to the light.

Bill Ferny · 11-02-2002, 09:34 AM

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It sounds like they're using a rather early-medieval approach, actually; medicine plus prayers.

This is also a modern approach as well. Recently the health care profession has become aware of the healing power of the patient's state of mind. Thank goodness, or otherwise, I wouldn’t have a job!

I like the line because on the road to healing the patient’s will to get well is just as important as any medical procedure.

10-30-2002, 05:54 AM	#1
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	Elvish Healing i dont know how accurate the film is to the book, but in the film i noticed how both Arwen and Elrond, when healing Frodo or whatever, said "Lasto beth nin. Tolo dan nan galad." is this the extent of elvish healing - one phrase? or do they do or say other things? __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

10-30-2002, 07:01 AM	#2
avarrogion Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 120	Well i think thats juz part of the Elvish healing phrase...to tell you the truth i myself was wondeing the same question! So can anyone outhere to clarify this pls? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ I might have been a slasher but I never killed children, only real men!...A mistake cannot make right by another mistake... ~Kenshin Himura~

10-30-2002, 10:38 AM	#4
arelendil Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Eryn Lasgalen Posts: 202	Hello! ahhh something i can answer it means "hear my voice, come back to the light!" also used as part of the water spell but changed, "Lasto beth daer" hear the Great word! and i suppose they're just calling frodo from the wraith land or what ever! __________________ Nai Vardo eleni ilye lumenn' enomentielvo siluvar!

10-31-2002, 11:47 AM	#5
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,313	Hmm... Interesting. When Aragorn was healing Faramir, Eowyn and Merry in the Houses of Healing he also speaks to the injured, so it seems to be a "healer" thing not and "Elven-healer" thing, although, Aragorn was trained by Elrond. __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1

10-31-2002, 03:36 PM	#6
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	Faramir got injured???? *races to his side __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

10-30-2002, 10:02 AM	#3
Selmo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Shire (Staffordshire), United Kingdom Posts: 273	I'm just a humble hobbit, not an Elven scholar, so I can't tell you what the phrase means. I'm sure that it isn't a healing spell; the power of the Elves lay within themselves, not in spells and incantations. Perhaps the phrase was spoken to help the healer to concentrate his/her mind.

11-01-2002, 12:11 AM	#7
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	It sounds like they're using a rather early-medieval approach, actually; medicine plus prayers. That happened a quite a bit several thousand years ago; you'd be given, say, larkspur paste or some other herb for what ailed you, and additionally you were told to say three prayers daily (or whichever amount) to a certain deity - or the one deity - who would help you out. They thought it concentrated the feeling, and I can't say as they were wrong [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]. __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

11-01-2002, 07:28 AM	#8
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	Well, in the book things don`t go as fast as in the movie! On Weathertop, Frodo is not stabbed in the breast, but in his left shoulder,( because he throws himself forward to stab at the Nazgûl`s legs). A splinter of the morgul-knife breaks off and stays in Frodos shoulder. Only after a long, wearisome journey of 17 days(!), his condition slowly deteriorating, he reaches Elronds house. And Elrond has obviously some skill as a surgeon, for he removes the splinter which was deeply buried and had been working inwards. Anyhow, Arwen had nothing to do with it in the book! __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!