Suprising quotes in the LOTR

Are there any scenes/qoutes from the LOTR from any character that suprise any of you? There was one particular one whereby an elf (who's name I have forgotten - Haldir I think) speaks of little trust the elves of Loth Lorien have of anyone, save in Rivendell perhaps. I find this absolutely astonishing - how on earth can the elves of Loth Lorien give even the slightest shred of doubt towards their brothers in arms, where one of the great lord of the Elves dwells? He should have said that he & the Elves fully supported Rivendell rather than leaving a cloud of doubt over the trustworthyness of Elrond's people.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

But isn't that what happens when peoples are separated? I find it quite sad.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

But isn't that what happens when peoples are separated? I find it quite sad.

It seems to me that the mental capacity of elves is very brittle.

[Folwren]

Oh, yes, there were quotes that surprised me! This one that I'm about to put out made me stop reading for a moment and re-read it several times just to make sure it was there.

Originally said by Gorbag in the TT, in the last part of The Choices of Master Samwise:
There's someone loose hereabouts as is more dangerous than any other damned rebel that ever walked since old times. . .

I certainly wasn't expecting the swear word, and therefore it was surprising.

At least it wasn't Sam or anybody else.

--Folwren

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

But isn't the point that, once evil had re-entered the world, even the Elves were split into different, even unfriendly, groups? It's not so much about the weakness of Elves; more about the terrible effects of evil.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

But isn't the point that, once evil had re-entered the world, even the Elves were split into different, even unfriendly, groups? It's not so much about the weakness of Elves; more about the terrible effects of evil.

Aren't you straying from the point of this thread?

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

But isn't the point that, once evil had re-entered the world, even the Elves were split into different, even unfriendly, groups? It's not so much about the weakness of Elves; more about the terrible effects of evil.

Which elves do you know of that strayed to evil?

[Galadriel]

I certainly wasn't expecting the word bastards in TTT. Tolkien uses mostly very prim and proper language, and then suddenly comes up with this word? I know he used it in a literal and not an offensive sense (though it was, really), but still.

[Eönwë]

Well, most words that are considered rude today were just the usual words a long time ago.

[Galadriel]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Well, most words that are considered rude today were just the usual words a long time ago.

It wasn't that long a time ago

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Galadriel

I certainly wasn't expecting the word bastards in TTT. Tolkien uses mostly very prim and proper language, and then suddenly comes up with this word? I know he used it in a literal and not an offensive sense (though it was, really), but still.

Out of curiosity, in which chapter of TTT is that word found? I'm drawing a blank.

[Galadriel]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Out of curiosity, in which chapter of TTT is that word found? I'm drawing a blank.

Shelob's Lair: "Far and wide her lesser broods, bastards of the miserable mates, her own offspring, that she slew, spread from glen to glen, from the Ephel Dúath to the eastern hills, to Dol Guldur and the fastness of Mirkwood."

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Galadriel

Shelob's Lair: "Far and wide her lesser broods, bastards of the miserable mates, her own offspring, that she slew, spread from glen to glen, from the Ephel Dúath to the eastern hills, to Dol Guldur and the fastness of Mirkwood."

Thanks. I didn't have the book with me.

Along the lines of what Eönwë said, that particular word had a neutral, everyday use at least until the 1970s, I think. Now though, you mainly hear it used as an insult.

[Galadriel]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Thanks. I didn't have the book with me.

Along the lines of what Eönwë said, that particular word had a neutral, everyday use at least until the 1970s, I think. Now though, you mainly hear it used as an insult.

Ah. Right. Thanks And you're welcome