Tolkien, he's a great writer! I am I wrong? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lily · 06-28-2003, 09:27 AM

Tolkien is the best writer I've known so far! Some of his writing has brought me to tears or made me laugh so hard I had to put the book away. So I want you to tell me either how great Tolkien is. Or how he's not great or, why you read the books? Or an expreiance (sorry about my bad spelling) you had reading the books that you want to share with everyone!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Balin999 · 06-28-2003, 10:09 AM

I don't think that this topic will be open for long. You might try to post it in the "novices and newcomers" section. Because, as you can read in the "Policies"-thread, this section is for in-depth discussion only.

Estelyn Telcontar · 06-28-2003, 11:39 AM

Yes, the Novices and Newcomers forum is the place for opinions and experiences, so this thread has been moved. Please enjoy reading and posting there!

Olorin · 06-28-2003, 03:32 PM

You're very right. Although I've never been brought to tears, Middle Earth has served as a retreat from my real life and my problems. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Meela · 06-29-2003, 08:15 AM

He's not the best writer I've encountered, but he's not bad. His Appendices were wonderful.

Luinfang · 07-01-2003, 04:02 AM

pleased to meet someone who thinks the same I do! Tolkien is the best writer I know, though there are numerous others that are not bad as well. Some of my favourite writers are D. Eddings and R. Zelazny. not important of course [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] , but certainly worth mentioning. are there some other people out there that love other writers too? or are you all so totally in love with Tolkien you can't even stand the idea of ever reading an other writer?

navaer!

Darby · 07-01-2003, 07:11 AM

This is a tough one.
The best writer?
Tolkien does go on a bit long with the travelling and the travelling and more travelling. And some of his heroic speeches kind of clunk.
But I do think the books are brilliant and if I had to save just one book out of all of mine, It'd be the LOTR Trilogy (and I could argue that it really IS one book, not three, lol!).
It's hard to compare LOTR with other books on a purely literary level, because the novels read more like a history. I love LOTR not because it's great literature, but because it seems real. The parts that don't work on a literary level, work because they make the book seem more authentic. Pardon if I offend anyone, but in my opinion it's like the Bible. The Bible would make a terrible novel. No consistent plotting, loose ends everywhere, variable voice, etc...
But... it's the Bible! How could we ever hold it to a literary standard? How could we ever imagine editing it?
That's what LOTR is like to me.
As for a beautifully constructed *novel* (and I won't hazard a guess as to whether it's "best"), I always think of Swordspoint by Ellen Kushner.

Kates Frodo Temp · 07-07-2003, 09:39 PM

Tokien certainly did not write thrillers. Who needs 'em? I thought he was one of the best when I read the LotR "Trilogy." When I started The Simarillion I realized, Tolkien is, and always will be, King!!! There are no words to describe my elation upon finding such a book! So deep, so full of passion. The Sil is the song my heart sings, everything I want to read and write! And I'm nowhere near halfway finished! This is JRRT's life! I'm blown away! The only way I can say it, is it's deep. That sounds silly, I know, but it's true. It's so deep.

[ July 07, 2003: Message edited by: Kates Frodo Temp ]

Alatariel Telemnar · 07-08-2003, 03:53 PM

If we didn't think Tolkien was a great writer do you really think we all would be here? So to answer your question, yes Tolkien is the best writer ever, after God that is...

Everdawn · 07-12-2003, 01:59 AM

Yes, you are quite wrong! Tolkien is not a great writer and never will be. After this movie fad, everything about LOTR will dissappear forever...!!

..................Kidding......... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Alatariel Telemnar · 07-12-2003, 06:17 PM

*snicker snicker*

YES! Why of course! I was SOO wrong! It will soon fade out! SO SOON! BWAHAHA

Kidding also... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Daisy Brambleburr · 07-19-2003, 07:12 AM

Your totally wrong. We all hate him here.

[img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

06-28-2003, 09:27 AM	#1
Lily Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Wouldn't you like to know!! Posts: 72	Tolkien, he's a great writer! I am I wrong? Tolkien is the best writer I've known so far! Some of his writing has brought me to tears or made me laugh so hard I had to put the book away. So I want you to tell me either how great Tolkien is. Or how he's not great or, why you read the books? Or an expreiance (sorry about my bad spelling) you had reading the books that you want to share with everyone!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

06-28-2003, 10:09 AM	#2
Balin999 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2000 Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon Posts: 493	I don't think that this topic will be open for long. You might try to post it in the "novices and newcomers" section. Because, as you can read in the "Policies"-thread, this section is for in-depth discussion only. __________________ ...Nichts ist gelber als Gelb selber... ...The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, but conformity... ...Everything is possible, except to ski through a revolving door...

06-28-2003, 11:39 AM	#3
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,499	Yes, the Novices and Newcomers forum is the place for opinions and experiences, so this thread has been moved. Please enjoy reading and posting there! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

06-28-2003, 03:32 PM	#4
Olorin Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Where the sun sails and the moon walks. Posts: 155	You're very right. Although I've never been brought to tears, Middle Earth has served as a retreat from my real life and my problems. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then don't be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

06-29-2003, 08:15 AM	#5
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	He's not the best writer I've encountered, but he's not bad. His Appendices were wonderful. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

07-01-2003, 04:02 AM	#6
Luinfang Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dol Amroth, Gondor Posts: 17	pleased to meet someone who thinks the same I do! Tolkien is the best writer I know, though there are numerous others that are not bad as well. Some of my favourite writers are D. Eddings and R. Zelazny. not important of course [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] , but certainly worth mentioning. are there some other people out there that love other writers too? or are you all so totally in love with Tolkien you can't even stand the idea of ever reading an other writer? navaer! __________________ aurë entuluva! day shall come again!

07-01-2003, 07:11 AM	#7
Darby Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The land of ice and snow. Posts: 32	This is a tough one. The best writer? Tolkien does go on a bit long with the travelling and the travelling and more travelling. And some of his heroic speeches kind of clunk. But I do think the books are brilliant and if I had to save just one book out of all of mine, It'd be the LOTR Trilogy (and I could argue that it really IS one book, not three, lol!). It's hard to compare LOTR with other books on a purely literary level, because the novels read more like a history. I love LOTR not because it's great literature, but because it seems real. The parts that don't work on a literary level, work because they make the book seem more authentic. Pardon if I offend anyone, but in my opinion it's like the Bible. The Bible would make a terrible novel. No consistent plotting, loose ends everywhere, variable voice, etc... But... it's the Bible! How could we ever hold it to a literary standard? How could we ever imagine editing it? That's what LOTR is like to me. As for a beautifully constructed novel (and I won't hazard a guess as to whether it's "best"), I always think of Swordspoint by Ellen Kushner. __________________ My favorite scene that never made it into the movie: "By Elbereth and Luthien the fair," said Frodo with a last effort, lifting up his sword, "You shall have neither the Ring nor me!"

07-07-2003, 09:39 PM	#8
Kates Frodo Temp Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Vale, Ancartia Posts: 112	Tokien certainly did not write thrillers. Who needs 'em? I thought he was one of the best when I read the LotR "Trilogy." When I started The Simarillion I realized, Tolkien is, and always will be, King!!! There are no words to describe my elation upon finding such a book! So deep, so full of passion. The Sil is the song my heart sings, everything I want to read and write! And I'm nowhere near halfway finished! This is JRRT's life! I'm blown away! The only way I can say it, is it's deep. That sounds silly, I know, but it's true. It's so deep. [ July 07, 2003: Message edited by: Kates Frodo Temp ] __________________ I yessessë Eru ontanë Menel ar Cemen. Genesis 1:1 Sign my lighter, Meela?

07-08-2003, 03:53 PM	#9
Alatariel Telemnar Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: watching the ants closing in Posts: 292	If we didn't think Tolkien was a great writer do you really think we all would be here? So to answer your question, yes Tolkien is the best writer ever, after God that is... __________________ -Ever wonder whats beyond those trees? -More trees. 'Poor ye. Ye're tied to someone who's been photographed trying to shave their hand... My condolences.'

07-12-2003, 01:59 AM	#10
Everdawn Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the sand dunes outside of Ilium, watching it burn. Posts: 1,291	Yes, you are quite wrong! Tolkien is not a great writer and never will be. After this movie fad, everything about LOTR will dissappear forever...!! ..................Kidding......... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ "Athena, stepping up behind him, visible to no one but Achillies, gripped his red-gold hair. Startled he made a half turn, and he knew her upon the instant for Athena." ~The Iliad~ ~My lord, Éomer~

07-12-2003, 06:17 PM	#11
Alatariel Telemnar Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: watching the ants closing in Posts: 292	snicker snicker YES! Why of course! I was SOO wrong! It will soon fade out! SO SOON! BWAHAHA Kidding also... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ -Ever wonder whats beyond those trees? -More trees. 'Poor ye. Ye're tied to someone who's been photographed trying to shave their hand... My condolences.'

07-19-2003, 07:12 AM	#12
Daisy Brambleburr Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 334	Your totally wrong. We all hate him here. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ 'What news from the South, O sighing wind, do you bring to me at eve? Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve.'